The Skripal affair: an act of war, & a war crime


SPN

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 2, 2004
Messages
16,733
Eh? Usually (see any one of a number of recent murder trials ) the offering of a number of a wildly different , often contradictory, explanations is a sure sign of guilt. You'd expect the wrongly accused to offer one correct and plausible explanation for their actions...not half a dozen that change by the day. As it is, the Russian agent's story-the supposed fans of Salisbury Cathedral mar dhea that never actually made it to the cathedral-is about as credible as a burglar that claims that he's an interior decorator surveyor measuring the wardrobe.
But that is not the issue.

The issue is the flaws in the conspiraloons' theories.

Such as, how did the Russians poison the Skripals whenever the Skripals had left home hours before the Russians arrived in town?
 

SPN

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 2, 2004
Messages
16,733
Let's top this again.

Craig Murray asks some interesting questions.

Pure: Ten Points I Just Can't Believe About the Official Skripal Narrative - Craig Murray

1
The sample provided to the OPCW had allegedly been swabbed from the Skripals’ door handle. It had been on that door handle for several days before it was allegedly discovered there. In that time it had been contacted allegedly by the hands of the Skripals and of DC Bailey, and the gloves of numerous investigators. It had of course been exposed to whatever film of dirt or dust was on the door handle. It had been exposed to whatever pollution was in the rain and whatever dust and pollen was blowing around. In these circumstances, it is incredible that the sample provided “had an almost complete absence of impurities”.


2
As the MSM never questions the official narrative, there has never been an official answer as to how the gel got from the doorknob to the roof. Remember that traces of the “novichok” were allegedly found in a hotel room in Poplar, which is still in use as a hotel room and did not have to be destroyed, and an entire bottle of it was allegedly found in Charlie Rowley’s house, which has not had to be destroyed. Novichok was found in Zizzi’s restaurant, which did not have to be destroyed.


3
The government is always trying to get good publicity for its armed forces, and you would think that the heroic role of its off-duty personnel in saving random poisoned Russian double agents they just happened to chance across, would have been proclaimed as a triumph for the British military. Yet it was kept secret for ten months. We were not told about the involvement of Colonel Alison McCourt until January of this year, when it came out by accident.


4
The Skripals were of very different ages, genders and weights. That an agent which took hours to act but then kicks in with immediate disabling effect, so they could not call for help, would affect two such entirely different metabolisms at precisely the same time, has never been satisfactorily explained. Dosage would have an effect and of course the doorknob method would give an uncontrolled dosage.



5
After the poisoning of Charlie Rowley and Dawn Sturgess, the Police cordoned off Charlie Rowley’s home and began a search for “Novichok”, in an attitude of extreme urgency because it was believed this poison was out amidst the public. They were specifically searching for a small phial of liquid. Yet it took 11 days of the search before they allegedly discovered the “novichok” in a perfume bottle sitting in plain sight on the kitchen counter – and only after they had discovered the clue of the perfume bottle package in the bin the day before, after ten days of search.


6
The British government had two immediate reactions to the Skripal incident. Within the first 48 hours, it blamed Russia, and it slapped a D(SMA) notice banning all media mention of Skripal’s MI6 handler, Pablo Miller. By yet another one of those extraordinary coincidences, Miller and Urban know each other well, having both been officers together in the Royal Tank Regiment, of the same rank and joining the Regiment the same year.



7
There was at least a four month gap between the police searching the Poplar hotel where Boshirov and Petrov were staying, allegedly discovering traces of novichok in the hotel room, and the police informing the hotel management, let alone the public, of the discovery. That is four months in which a cleaner might have fatally stumbled across more novichok in the hotel. Four months in which another guest in the same hotel might have had something lurking in their bag which they had picked up. Four months in which there might have been a container of novichok sitting in a hedge near the hotel. Yet for four months the police did not think any of this was urgent enough to tell anybody.



8
The idea that, before an extremely delicate murder operation involving handling a poison, a tiny accident with which would kill them, professionals would stay up all night and drink heavily and take drugs is a nonsense. Apart from the obvious effect on their own metabolisms, they were risking authorities being called because of the noise and a search being instituted because of the drugs.



9
There is undoubtedly a huge amount of CCTV video of the Skripals’ movements which has never been released. For example, the parents of one of the boys who Sergei was chatting with while feeding the ducks, was shown “clear” footage by the Police of the Skripals at the pond, yet this has never been released. This however is the moment at which the evidence puts Boshirov and Petrov at the closest to them. What does the concealed CCTV of the Skripals with the ducks show?



10
Only in the last couple of days have the police finally admitted there is a real problem with the fact that Charlie Rowley insists that the perfume bottle was fully sealed, and the cellophane difficult to remove, when he discovered it. Why the charity collection bin had not been emptied for three months has never been explained either. Rowley’s recollection is supported by the fact that the entire packaging was discovered by the police in his bin – why would Boshirov and Petrov have been carrying the cellophane around with them if they had opened the package? Why – and how – would they reseal it outdoors in Salisbury before dumping it?
 

Faughart

Member
Joined
Jan 23, 2019
Messages
24
Well, are you claiming the bombs in Birmingham and Guildford planted themselves?

Evidence points to the IRA (e.g. coded warnings, bombs used), the Salisbury nerve gas attack evidence points to Russian Intelligence (e.g. known operatives recorded in the area, use of a favourite Russian weapon).

And you will be delighted to learn that Sergei Skrpal's quality of life will never return to what it was, his health is deteriorating and his life will have been shortened by his poisoning. Probably his daughter's, also.
It was a coincidence that at the moment the Skripals collapsed simultaneously, the most senior nursing officer in the British army happened to be passing by, and so was the first adult to give them medical attention. And if you believe that, you’ll believe anything.
 

owedtojoy

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 27, 2010
Messages
44,997
It was a coincidence that at the moment the Skripals collapsed simultaneously, the most senior nursing officer in the British army happened to be passing by, and so was the first adult to give them medical attention. And if you believe that, you’ll believe anything.
This is sub JFK Conspiracy Theory shyte, 9/11 Truther bollocks, Apollo Moonshot hoax trivia, ...

A lady who lives 11 miles from Salisbury being in the vicinity of the town is not at all surprising to us normal, rational people. Salisbury Plain is a massive training area for the British Army, so its personnel living nearby is to be expected.

But Stonehenge is not far away ... perhaps you should explore the theory that the British used prehistoric magic emanating from its stones. It cannot be a coincidence that Skrpals were attacked so close to a centre of ancient magic.
 

Faughart

Member
Joined
Jan 23, 2019
Messages
24
This is sub JFK Conspiracy Theory shyte, 9/11 Truther bollocks, Apollo Moonshot hoax trivia, ...

A lady who lives 11 miles from Salisbury being in the vicinity of the town is not at all surprising to us normal, rational people. Salisbury Plain is a massive training area for the British Army, so its personnel living nearby is to be expected.

But Stonehenge is not far away ... perhaps you should explore the theory that the British used prehistoric magic emanating from its stones. It cannot be a coincidence that Skrpals were attacked so close to a centre of ancient magic.
"...not at all surprising". No, of course not.
 

SPN

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 2, 2004
Messages
16,733
A lady who lives 11 miles from Salisbury being in the vicinity of the town is not at all surprising.
Too many coincidences, too many leaps of faith, too many contradictions, and zero evidence.

Yet some people persist in falling for the integrity initiative line on this.
 

rainmaker

Moderator
Joined
Mar 26, 2012
Messages
21,711
Too many coincidences, too many leaps of faith, too many contradictions, and zero evidence.

Yet some people persist in falling for the integrity initiative line on this.
Except the footage of two Russian assets lurking near the Skripal home the day they were poisoned - how do you explain that?
 

SPN

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 2, 2004
Messages
16,733
Except the footage of two Russian assets lurking near the Skripal home the day they were poisoned - how do you explain that?
I don't.

But we do know that they arrived in town hours after the Skripals had left their house, so they couldn't have put poison on the doorknob before the Skripals had left their house.
 

rainmaker

Moderator
Joined
Mar 26, 2012
Messages
21,711
I don't.

But we do know that they arrived in town hours after the Skripals had left their house, so they couldn't have put poison on the doorknob before the Skripals had left their house.
They were filmed there on more than one occasion.

So, you think the presence of two Russian assets, lurking around the home of a Russian dissident in a small rural market town, on the day he is poisoned with a Russian nerve agent is meaningless.

Righty ho.
 

SPN

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 2, 2004
Messages
16,733
They were filmed there on more than one occasion.
They weren't filmed near the house on any occasion.


So, you think the presence of two Russian assets, lurking around the home of a Russian dissident in a small rural market town, on the day he is poisoned with a Russian nerve agent is meaningless.
I'm quite sure there was a very good reason why the two buckos were in town that there weekend, but I haven't seen anyone put forward a credible theory yet.

And the line that is was "a Russian nerve agent" has been totally debunked.



Righty ho.
Is it a coincidence that you always spin the Integrity Initiative version of reality?
 

rainmaker

Moderator
Joined
Mar 26, 2012
Messages
21,711

SPN

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 2, 2004
Messages
16,733

IvoShandor

Well-known member
Joined
May 18, 2009
Messages
7,294
Twitter
yes
I'm quite sure there was a very good reason why the two buckos were in town that there weekend, but I haven't seen anyone put forward a credible theory yet.
I'm sure that if the two "buckos" had a very good reason to be in the town that day, an "Ah, now, I see, that explains everything" reason, they would have already provided it. But they haven't, and that speaks for itself.
 

rainmaker

Moderator
Joined
Mar 26, 2012
Messages
21,711
Except we know that the Skripals were on the move before 9.15am.

How did the boys poison the Skripals whenever the Skripals had already left the house?
Now you're back tracking - You claimed they were never caught on CCTV anywhere near the Skripal home. Then, when proved that there is publicly released footage of them there, you move the goalposts.

You buy bizarre conspiracy theories peddled by a few cranks, yet find nothing at all odd in two Russian assets hanging around the home of a Russian dissident, in a sleepy market town, the day he is poisoned by a Russian nerve agent.

You dismiss it as 'two buckos out on the town' - two Russian assets traveled all the way from Russia to the UK just for a weekend , to go out on the town in some small, rural market town - laughable.
 

SPN

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 2, 2004
Messages
16,733
Now you're back tracking
Not back tracking at all. Trying to specifically answer each point as you make it.

Don't want you finding more contrived excuses to delete my posts.


You claimed they were never caught on CCTV anywhere near the Skripal home.
There is footage of them walking past a petrol station a quarter of a mile from the Skripal's home, but they are coming from, and heading to a different direction than the road that could bring them to the Skripal's house.

There is no CCTV of them anywhere near the Skripal home, and no CCTV of them in Salisbury before the Skripals left their home.


Then, when proved that there is publicly released footage of them there, you move the goalposts.
Nope.

Pay attention.


You buy bizarre conspiracy theories peddled by a few cranks
What conspiracy theory is that?


yet find nothing at all odd in two Russian assets hanging around the home of a Russian dissident, in a sleepy market town, the day he is poisoned by a Russian nerve agent.
You are factually incorrect on all of them there points.

Pay attention.



You dismiss it as 'two buckos out on the town' - two Russian assets traveled all the way from Russia to the UK just for a weekend , to go out on the town in some small, rural market town - laughable.
You are misrepresenting what I wrote on that there too.

I'd love to know what the two buckos were doing in Salisbury. There must be a good story there.
 

SPN

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 2, 2004
Messages
16,733
I'm sure that if the two "buckos" had a very good reason to be in the town that day, an "Ah, now, I see, that explains everything" reason, they would have already provided it. But they haven't, and that speaks for itself.
A good reason for being there does not mean a reason that would stand up to public scrutiny.

If they are indeed Russian spies, then we can be sure that whatever they were there for is not for public scrutiny.

But one thing we do know is that they did not arrive in town until after the Skripals had left the house.
 
Top