"…. There is something really wrong about a society that enables this conduct to continue; we should be asking questions about the foundations of democracy, freedom and the right to be protected."
Your link does not work, I guess you are not allowed to link to a competing siteI was inspired by Elizabeth Collier's comments about George Pell to start a new thread on the price of eternal vigilance.
Wonderful women who are keepers of the Flame of Truth are leading the way ...
'The Pell issue is much larger than the man himself'
Mar 11, 2019
Crikey comments: the Pell issue is much larger than the man himself
Elizabeth Collier writes:
The price of eternal vigilance / Safeguarding your human rights (worldwide)
Apologies, my attention has been divided. Cardinal Pell will be sentenced on Wednesday 13th. It will be broadcast live around the world.
They aren't done yet with Pell, there is more to follow.
"Pell's lawyer, Robert Richter, argued for a light sentence, based on Pell's age, heart problems, no prior history of offending, no physical injuries to the victims and the fact the duration of the offences was short.
Where do you get the time, have I seen you elsewhere as well?UPDATE ~ NOW PELL'S BEEN CONVICTED AND SENTENCED, THERE'S A PUSH TO RELEASE THE 2017 REPORT FINDINGS FROM ROYAL COMMIISSION INTO PAEDOPHILE PRIESTS IN BALLARAT, VICTORIA, WHERE PELL WORKED AS A PARISH PRIEST
Channel 9 short video clip herein (it will be replaced, so watch it double-quick!)
George Pell’s first night as an inmate after child sex abuse sentence
'Now George Pell has been convicted and sentenced, there's a push to RELEASE 2017 REPORT FINDINGS from Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse.'
"That report focuses on what the Church knew about allegations of paedophile priests in the Ballarat area. We know that George Pell grew up in Ballarat, he worked as a parish priest there and he even lived with a paedophile priest Gerald Ridsdale. But Pell has always denied that he knew anything about Ridsdale's offending. ""Based on the evidence presented at that hearing relating to George Pell's trial on historical sex abuse the three judge court appeal will decide if George Pell's convictions stand or if the conviction is quashed. That then means that Pell could be acquitted on all or some of the charges. Or he could go back to the County Court for a retrial."
Arthur Moses SC, the president of the Law Council of Australia, said the broadcast gave the public access to what was going on in the court, and an insight into the complex factors involved in sentencing
"The broadcast allows the public to examine the demeanour of the judge as she or he is dealing with the matter, the tone of their voice and the carefully constructed considerations that go into delivering a judgment," he told the ABC.
[Kidd] You were a pillar of St Patrick’s community by virtue of your role as Archbishop. The evidence shows that you were profoundly revered, Cardinal Pell, which imbued you with, and legitimised your, authority.
[Kidd] ... during the first episode, when you found the victims in the priests’ sacristy you said words to the effect that ‘you’re in a lot of trouble’.
Kidd] Your admonishment of the victims was an explicit expression of your authority over them. The victims were rebuked by you because they had breached a rule in their capacity as choir boys. The very pretext through which you committed this offending had to do with the strict discipline of the choir boys at the Cathedral.
Yes. I returned to p.ie after the hacking. I had no trouble logging-in here. Once logged-in, I wasn't asked for my previous password.Where do you get the time, have I seen you elsewhere as well?
When the Most Reverend George Pell was still Auxiliary Bishop of Melbourne, he had the passing acquaintance of a priest in his region called Father Noel Brady. Brady is now parish priest at Resurrection Kings Park, ….
[Father Noel Brady] Brady says he prefers to stick to the facts. And the facts he alleges fly in the face of everything Pell now says about what he knew about paedophilia and how he handled it in the Catholic Church before becoming Archbishop of Melbourne in 1996.
Well, obviously you have paid closer attention than I and perhaps most. I will follow the AppealStir Charles
George Pell was found guilty by 12 men and women of his peers.
A challenge to the "unreasonable" verdict - in essence did the jury get it right? It's been said the Appeal courts place a lot of weight on the ability of 12 men and women to make findings of facts.
The jury saw and heard all the witnesses give evidence. As is Pell's right, he did not give evidence ~ he was not cross-examined during the trial (a tactical forensic decision by his defence barrister Robert Richter QC).
Was Pell able to be alone in the sacristy? I don't think anyone really believes that Pell was not able to. As someone else pointed out, Pell would need to go and relieve himself (toilet). Nobody follows you when you duck off for a quick pee. Fact: He wasn't always accompanied by another person.
Could Pell whip it out? Fact: YES. The jury looked at the robes. The alb, a long white linen under-tunic had two slits to gain access to trouser pockets. A sleeveless chasuble is worn over the tunic to complete the outfit. It would be easy to 'move the chasuble away' and access your trouser zip (as Pell would have to do for a pee).
View photo of child receiving her confirmation certificate from Archbishop Pell in 1993 (look at the chasuble Pell is wearing) ~ and by 2008 the child was dead ~
Also Stir Charles, the jury heard from other witnesses. For example, a friend of the deceased choir boy (he was dead at 31). Also a businessman who saw Pell standing stark naked in front of primary school children at Eureka Swimming Pool's change room…
Cardinal Pell's two sexual assault victims had been offered scholarships to an elite independent school ~ St Kevin's College ~ in the affluent inner-Melbourne suburb of Toorak.
A condition of the boys' scholarship to attend St Kevin’s College was being in St Patrick's Cathedral Choir.
The deceased victim's life went downhill within a year after the sexual assault by Pell.
The other 13 year old victim was able to compartmentalise what happened to him. He threw himself into his academic studies. He did well at university. According to Louise Milligan (Cardinal: The Rise and Fall of Pell) this survivor has a "lovely" relationship with his girlfriend, and is "a pillar of his community in a sort of understated, slightly ironic way and, in that part of his life, he is very happy."
[ Louse Milligan, who is the author of Cardinal: The Rise and Fall of Pell ]
There's more to come out with regard to George Pell from the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse now that Pell's been convicted and sentenced. They aren't done with Pell yet.
'What did Cardinal George Pell know about allegations of child sex abuse within the church?'
'New allegations of alleged conspiracies, cover-ups and broken lives have emerged, with questions about what Pell knew about paedophilia in the Catholic Church before he become Archbishop of Melbourne.'