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    We are told that we live in a free society. There is no greater test of freedom then being able to leave. In order to understand this idea better, we need to know some words and their definitions. First off, a society is a group of people joined together by mutual consent to deliberate, determine and act for a common goal. Notice how there is no mention of geographical area? Being in a certain geographical area might give you the right to join a society; however it cannot create an obligation to join. See that mutual consent part? Pay attention to it, it will become very important.


    Now what is a statute? Is a statute law? The answer is yes and no. It is not the law, but it is a rule, which has the force of law, within a society. Statutes are the laws of a society. Outside of society, they have no effect at all.


    I look at society as a house party, not a prison. At this party, there is food and music. We have a system set up which is supposed to determine what music is played and what food is served. This system is supposed to be democratic in nature, where the majority decides. Now if you don’t like the food, music, rules of the house, or the system designed to determine those things, you are perfectly free to leave. Maybe in the house (in society) you can’t smoke or own a gun. Does this mean you can’t do those things once you leave? Of course not! If you are no longer in the house, its rules no longer apply to you. These statutes which governments call laws, are all the laws of the society, or the house. Leave society, and these rules are no longer your laws. Those remaining behind will still have to obey them, you will not. Of course, you won’t be able to eat the food or listen to the music (collect benefits), either.


    The simple fact is if this is a free society, we have the right to leave. If we do not have that right, it is neither free, nor a society. If our society was a house party, this is what we would see. At the food table, they are serving scraps and crumbs, while we hear them in the back kitchen whooping it up with their supplier friends (bankers). The music is either a Military March or a Polka. The waiters (government workers) are acting more and more like prison guards. There are mirrors everywhere, not enough seats and more than enough smoke. The door leading out of this party has been well hidden and hasn’t been opened for a long time. They might have even welded it
    shut. If we are to have a free society, then every once in a while, someone must leave. This will ensure that people know they are free to do so; someone must guard that door and ensure it opens easily. This will also allow those remaining in the house, to see what it’s like outside, without venturing forth themselves. If they decide its better outside, then they too are free to leave.


    I intend to leave society. I am not moving physically, either. As a human being born in this country, I have the Common Law right to travel anywhere within it. I also have the right to join or not join societies as I see fit. I cannot be forced to consent. If I refuse to consent, none of the statutes everyone else calls laws will have the force of law with me.


    I am leaving this party, not because I reject society, but because I wish to embrace it. I want a good one. One that is as free as can be. I reject the way in which this society deliberates, determines and acts for the common goal. I am not even sure we all have a common goal anymore. Those we elect to provide us with food and music are not doing their jobs. The servants are getting uppity and actually think they are in charge. The stole my family and did so unlawfully. The RCMP refuses to investigate them and the elected representatives are not doing their jobs. I am sick of the rules of this house, the meager portions and the blaring music. I will open this long closed door, stand on the other side and wave at you. I will do things lawfully that you cannot do, for you are still in the house.


    When I am outside your society and therefore free of its rules, this does not mean there is no law. I do not claim the right to harm another human being, damage property, engage in fraud or extortion or break contracts. I will follow the Law. I just won’t give statutes created by governments the force of law. I will achieve this by constructively denying consent to be governed.


    When I see that members of society once again have recourse to the Law and those we elect to ‘serve the food’ are serving more than they eat, when these statutes are less deceptive and I know that the door outside is wide open at all times instead of being so well hidden, when the servants are acting more like servants, when the portions are bigger and there is less reveling in the kitchen, when the RCMP are abiding by the law and willing to investigate government ministries, then I will consider rejoining.


    When you see me traveling down the road in my automobile, exercising my Common Law right to travel, and I do not have a license, know I am not breaking the law. Please don’t moan about how we all have to follow the same rules. You are in a society, and I am not. You have consented and I have not. You have benefits that I do not. You are free to give up those benefits for more freedom, just as I will have done. Also, please do not think I am rejecting those staying behind in this society. Like a scout doing recon, I am giving up the security you enjoy, to ensure that you don’t lose your freedom. At the risk to myself, I am going outside to see what the weather is like. I am doing it for you. I will come back with a report. My actions will clear much of the smoke, and I might break a mirror or two on the way out.


    Do not be angry with me for becoming aware of government deception, or for acting against it. If you insist on being angry then be angry with those who have hidden this door to freedom from you for so long. Be angry with those who tore apart a family and denied citizens recourse to the law. Be angry with the RCMP for refusing to investigate a government ministry just because it is a government ministry. Be angry with your elected representatives for refusing to address crimes within that same ministry. Be angry with them for using so much deception in their legislation. Be angry with the media for constantly referring to new statutes as laws, instead of telling you they are nothing more than the rules of society and that you are free to leave that society if you don’t like the new statute.



    Debate in Canada is picking up around the issue of freemen on the land. I would be interested in hearing the thoughts of those in the legal profession.

    Some videos are available at [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiiG4Eaok5Y"]YouTube - Rob Menard-Magnificent Deception Part 1 of 13[/ame]

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    was trying to figure out what branch of the public service the RCMP were until the end.

    Seceeding in canada would be a little easier than in ireland, there are vast tracts of wilderness where you can live apart from society if you wish.

    as for deciding, plato-like, what laws you want to break or otherwise, i suggest you remember that the Mounties always get their man!!!!
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    I don't think the aim of this movement is to go and hide in the woods. The main argument seems to be that freemen need only be subject to common law, and not contract law.

    I don't have enough knowledge on the subject to get into a full on debate, but it seems to be an interesting concept.

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    I found this though I imagine you've already heard of it. I'll post it anyway in case it interests someone
    Freeman-on-the-Land - The Zeitgeist Movement
    "Authority that cannot be questioned is tyranny and I will not accept tyranny, any tyranny, even that of heaven."
    - Terry Pratchett

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    Admiralty Law in Canada

    This is an interesting video. I'm not a student of law so I don't know how accurate it is, if at all. Still it poses some very intresting questions.
    "Authority that cannot be questioned is tyranny and I will not accept tyranny, any tyranny, even that of heaven."
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    Here is a good video from Ben Gilroy.

    If you have ever been clamped you will enjoy this.

    ..the Irish nation can become other than white, by privileging the voices of the racialised and subverting state immigration but also integration policies. Ronit Lentin

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    Made up nonsense. One cannot opt out of the Road Traffic Acts, Finance Acts or any other statute because you use words like consent, contrary to common law and other buzz words (the Laois case where the Garda was asked was he "on his oath" had some entertainment value but is BS).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Con Gallagher View Post
    Made up nonsense. One cannot opt out of the Road Traffic Acts, Finance Acts or any other statute because you use words like consent, contrary to common law and other buzz words (the Laois case where the Garda was asked was he "on his oath" had some entertainment value but is BS).
    Are ya a legal eagle yourself Con?
    ..the Irish nation can become other than white, by privileging the voices of the racialised and subverting state immigration but also integration policies. Ronit Lentin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Con Gallagher View Post
    Made up nonsense. One cannot opt out of the Road Traffic Acts, Finance Acts or any other statute because you use words like consent, contrary to common law and other buzz words (the Laois case where the Garda was asked was he "on his oath" had some entertainment value but is BS).
    I agree, utter cr@p. these "freemen" want to drive on roads but not obey the rules of the road because they're not part of the Common Law - which wasn't native to Ireland but imposed on us in the first place!

    Why not go back to Brehon Law while you're at it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timeisshort View Post
    We are told that we live in a free society. There is no greater test of freedom then being able to leave. In order to understand this idea better, we need to know some words and their definitions. First off, a society is a group of people joined together by mutual consent to deliberate, determine and act for a common goal. Notice how there is no mention of geographical area? Being in a certain geographical area might give you the right to join a society; however it cannot create an obligation to join. See that mutual consent part? Pay attention to it, it will become very important.


    Now what is a statute? Is a statute law? The answer is yes and no. It is not the law, but it is a rule, which has the force of law, within a society. Statutes are the laws of a society. Outside of society, they have no effect at all.


    I look at society as a house party, not a prison. At this party, there is food and music. We have a system set up which is supposed to determine what music is played and what food is served. This system is supposed to be democratic in nature, where the majority decides. Now if you don’t like the food, music, rules of the house, or the system designed to determine those things, you are perfectly free to leave. Maybe in the house (in society) you can’t smoke or own a gun. Does this mean you can’t do those things once you leave? Of course not! If you are no longer in the house, its rules no longer apply to you. These statutes which governments call laws, are all the laws of the society, or the house. Leave society, and these rules are no longer your laws. Those remaining behind will still have to obey them, you will not. Of course, you won’t be able to eat the food or listen to the music (collect benefits), either.


    The simple fact is if this is a free society, we have the right to leave. If we do not have that right, it is neither free, nor a society. If our society was a house party, this is what we would see. At the food table, they are serving scraps and crumbs, while we hear them in the back kitchen whooping it up with their supplier friends (bankers). The music is either a Military March or a Polka. The waiters (government workers) are acting more and more like prison guards. There are mirrors everywhere, not enough seats and more than enough smoke. The door leading out of this party has been well hidden and hasn’t been opened for a long time. They might have even welded it
    shut. If we are to have a free society, then every once in a while, someone must leave. This will ensure that people know they are free to do so; someone must guard that door and ensure it opens easily. This will also allow those remaining in the house, to see what it’s like outside, without venturing forth themselves. If they decide its better outside, then they too are free to leave.


    I intend to leave society. I am not moving physically, either. As a human being born in this country, I have the Common Law right to travel anywhere within it. I also have the right to join or not join societies as I see fit. I cannot be forced to consent. If I refuse to consent, none of the statutes everyone else calls laws will have the force of law with me.


    I am leaving this party, not because I reject society, but because I wish to embrace it. I want a good one. One that is as free as can be. I reject the way in which this society deliberates, determines and acts for the common goal. I am not even sure we all have a common goal anymore. Those we elect to provide us with food and music are not doing their jobs. The servants are getting uppity and actually think they are in charge. The stole my family and did so unlawfully. The RCMP refuses to investigate them and the elected representatives are not doing their jobs. I am sick of the rules of this house, the meager portions and the blaring music. I will open this long closed door, stand on the other side and wave at you. I will do things lawfully that you cannot do, for you are still in the house.


    When I am outside your society and therefore free of its rules, this does not mean there is no law. I do not claim the right to harm another human being, damage property, engage in fraud or extortion or break contracts. I will follow the Law. I just won’t give statutes created by governments the force of law. I will achieve this by constructively denying consent to be governed.


    When I see that members of society once again have recourse to the Law and those we elect to ‘serve the food’ are serving more than they eat, when these statutes are less deceptive and I know that the door outside is wide open at all times instead of being so well hidden, when the servants are acting more like servants, when the portions are bigger and there is less reveling in the kitchen, when the RCMP are abiding by the law and willing to investigate government ministries, then I will consider rejoining.


    When you see me traveling down the road in my automobile, exercising my Common Law right to travel, and I do not have a license, know I am not breaking the law. Please don’t moan about how we all have to follow the same rules. You are in a society, and I am not. You have consented and I have not. You have benefits that I do not. You are free to give up those benefits for more freedom, just as I will have done. Also, please do not think I am rejecting those staying behind in this society. Like a scout doing recon, I am giving up the security you enjoy, to ensure that you don’t lose your freedom. At the risk to myself, I am going outside to see what the weather is like. I am doing it for you. I will come back with a report. My actions will clear much of the smoke, and I might break a mirror or two on the way out.


    Do not be angry with me for becoming aware of government deception, or for acting against it. If you insist on being angry then be angry with those who have hidden this door to freedom from you for so long. Be angry with those who tore apart a family and denied citizens recourse to the law. Be angry with the RCMP for refusing to investigate a government ministry just because it is a government ministry. Be angry with your elected representatives for refusing to address crimes within that same ministry. Be angry with them for using so much deception in their legislation. Be angry with the media for constantly referring to new statutes as laws, instead of telling you they are nothing more than the rules of society and that you are free to leave that society if you don’t like the new statute.



    Debate in Canada is picking up around the issue of freemen on the land. I would be interested in hearing the thoughts of those in the legal profession.

    Some videos are available at [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiiG4Eaok5Y"]YouTube - Rob Menard-Magnificent Deception Part 1 of 13[/ame]
    Oh FFS

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