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    Default WW2 70 years on

    Today Germany attacked Poland sparking the second world war.

    Im not really too sure what to discuss about the topic perhaps What lessons should we learn from the war or Irelands role during the war- was it right to be neutral?
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    Dev shoulda taken Churchill's deal on a nation once again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JCSkinner View Post
    Dev shoulda taken Churchill's deal on a nation once again.
    Are ye forgetting that Churchill was behind the Black & Tans?

    Dev should certainly have allowed British submarines to use Bantry as a safe harbour from where to search for the U boat wolf packs.
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    WW2 changed everything
    Our world as we know it today would not be recognisable
    Fot better or worse without ww2 there would be no
    UN
    EU
    NATO

    The jewish state of Israel would not exist and therefore the problems associated with it
    Leading from that there may not have been a 9/11 attack
    America would not be as powerful as it is today
    Russia/USSR would not have expanded in to EE

    In fact everything in our lives would be different if the war had not taken place

    and yes Ireland should have joined the Allies
    I feel our lack of involvement in WW2 and our cowardliness throughout to be the biggest blight on our history as an independent country
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    Churchill was behind concentration camps too.
    But when someone offers you your country back, you don't say, no thanks, I'll wait to do a deal with an overlord whose politics I prefer.
    Irish people fought and died in their thousands in the British army anyway.
    Dublin was bombed anyway.
    Dev shoulda taken the deal. We'd be united and the Northern Unionists would have been reassured by the united Republic's first act being to weigh officially into the war on the British side.
    Can you honestly say, from an Irish point of view, that the history of what really happened is preferable to the possibility that the national question could have been wrapped up decades ago?
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    hindsight is a wonderful thing - we simply did not know of the horrors of Nazism leading up to 1939.

    we thought that WW2 would be like a re-run of the trenches of WW1 and the waste of life that caused - the memories of ww1 were too fresh.

    Considering that, Dev did the right thing by staying neutral.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCSkinner View Post
    Dev shoulda taken the deal. We'd be united and the Northern Unionists would have been reassured by the united Republic's first act being to weigh officially into the war on the British side.
    Can you honestly say, from an Irish point of view, that the history of what really happened is preferable to the possibility that the national question could have been wrapped up decades ago?
    I agree with your viewpoint. The current mess will probably never be resolved to the benefit of all concerned. Dev's problem was that he was rabidly anti English. IMHO he was incapable of moving forward and lived firmly in the past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aindriu View Post
    I agree with your viewpoint. The current mess will probably never be resolved to the benefit of all concerned. Dev's problem was that he was rabidly anti English. IMHO he was incapable of moving forward and lived firmly in the past.
    to be fair to Dev , there was the small matter of the 1916 rising and the English wanting to shoot him!

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    Quote Originally Posted by netron View Post
    hindsight is a wonderful thing - we simply did not know of the horrors of Nazism leading up to 1939.
    Churchill's offer was in December 41.

    Quote Originally Posted by netron View Post
    we thought that WW2 would be like a re-run of the trenches of WW1 and the waste of life that caused - the memories of ww1 were too fresh.
    We knew what WWII was about after 2.5 years of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by netron View Post
    Considering that, Dev did the right thing by staying neutral.
    Considering your points are all inaccurate, Dev didn't do the right thing at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmc444 View Post
    Im not really too sure what to discuss about the topic perhaps What lessons should we learn from the war or Irelands role during the war- was it right to be neutral?

    This is a red hering!

    At the time Fianna Fail FG and Labour all supported neutrality.

    The great majority of the public supported them in that also.

    I believe James Dillon was the only major politician who urged supporting Britain, he was from a Home Rule party background.

    If you look at europe you can see that every small democratic country tried desperately to remain neutral in the face of Nazi aggression.

    There was nothing wrong with Ireland choosing to stay neutral

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