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Thread: A failed state - What is wrong with Ireland

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    Default A failed state - What is wrong with Ireland

    Over on Irishelection.com, a decent site with genuine contributors one of the regulars, Gavin Sheridan, has commented on the need to recognise that we are living in a failed state.

    He describes himself as a center-right person. This is not more "inherent failures of capitalist societies" stuff. Its a thoughful review by a right winger of what criteria we need to meet to be classified as a failed state and its a depressing realisation that they are already met.

    Whether you are a Fine Gael or SWP person, while you ideology may differ , there is indeed much common ground to be found on the idea that this state is now an abysmal failure and needs drastic changes.
    Whenever and wherever corruption is discovered, nothing happens. Whenever and wherever whistles are blown, nothing happens. We live in a country where the very idea of accountability, or that our politicians are our servants, simply does not exist.

    As a nation state, we are a failure. As a democracy, we have failed. As a country we are bankrupt, both morally and financially. We are the emerging market, banana republic of the European Union. Our political system is broken. It is beyond redemption.

    Some will reply that I am a socialist, or other such attacks. I am actually right of centre economically, I just recognise what is standing in front of me for what it is.

    An almost incalculable political and financial mess – generations are being saddled with the debts of the oligarchs, and the taxpayer is being lied to by its own government.
    What is wrong with Ireland

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    We haven't failed just yet. Still plenty of people buying up Irish bonds for some reason.

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    Politics and the 'political' classes have failed

    They are abject failures

    A new cojent system would dispense of the 'political' system

    we need effective executive decision makers, not pandering spineless buffoons

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    Quote Originally Posted by Factorem View Post
    We haven't failed just yet. Still plenty of people buying up Irish bonds for some reason.
    Thats the Paddy banks funded by us and the ECB. The bond market is another bubble, and will burst before the end of the year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jock_the_Waster View Post
    pandering spineless buffoons
    FF , FG, Labour and SF are pandering spineless buffoons. All the same, all supporting the SCAMA plan to flush us down the toilet. Enda Kenny is just as guilty as ahern, Clowen and Gormless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Factorem View Post
    We haven't failed just yet. Still plenty of people buying up Irish bonds for some reason.
    Some might say Factorem that just about being solvent enough to pay premium rates on bonds to foreign creditors in order to run the state is failure.

    I would like to think the bar should be a bit higher than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digout View Post
    FF , FG, Labour and SF are pandering spineless buffoons. All the same, all supporting the SCAMA plan to flush us down the toilet. Enda Kenny is just as guilty as ahern, Clowen and Gormless.
    I agree, as I stated, the political system has failed the Nation.

    All cogs, all components, it is time for change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jock_the_Waster View Post
    Politics and the 'political' classes have failed

    They are abject failures

    A new cojent system would dispense of the 'political' system

    we need effective executive decision makers, not pandering spineless buffoons
    ain't that the truth. Garret Fitzgerald said before that the self interest was a major problem with us as a people, he also said that there was a lack of a sense of civic responsiblity here which lead to tax avoidance and evasion, voting for politicians who are 'good local men' i.e stroke pullers and con men, filthy streets- no civic pride. at the same time we expect top class health services, transport and infrastructure but don't want to pay for any of them.
    I constantly hear comparisons with the likes of sweden but there is no point in cherrypicking what we like about these advanced countries (free health care etc) while ignoring the fact that the citizens of same have almost zero tolerance for corrupt gombeens and usually pay their way through pretty high taxes (which the majority pay).
    until such time as we come out of what Fitzgerald called our 'post colonial adolescence' which is a perfect description us imo, we will go nowhere. for 80 years we have acted exactly like teenagers with a free gaff. do what we like with no regard for long term consequences. time for us all to cop on and realise that unless we behave like a society it will never improve.

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    The entire Irish estaiblishment has totally failed and must be immediately removed due to its rotten and corrupt nature, otherwise this country will never achieve its full potential and future generations will be condemned to the living in the type of gombeen failed state we have now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ecoguy View Post
    The entire Irish estaiblishment has totally failed and must be immediately removed due to its rotten and corrupt nature, otherwise this country will never achieve its full potential and future generations will be condemned to the living in the type of gombeen failed state we have now
    I agree but the voting public must also change its priorities.

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