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    I want to see more of the old Gerry Adams, maybe this is a start?

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    “This activist has no intention of resigning. There is much to be done. As citizens face greater economic punishment at the hands of an incompetent Dublin government and as rejectionists in the north gear up for more negativity our duty is face the future with confidence and to stand up for decent politics, fairness and equality. And a reunited Ireland. That is what leadership is about. The time for republican politics is now”.

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    what exactly is republican politics. The republic 'unite ireland' angle makes no diffetence to the economic punishment. There is Republicanism a la France, the American republicanism... so please, define what he means when the rhetoric is removed? When SF talk socialist republic.. what do you mean. We have socialist government (or had) all over western europe, I live in a Republic as it is.. what does he mean when he says that?
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    Dublin government?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bradán feasa View Post
    I want to see more of the old Gerry Adams, maybe this is a start?

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    “This activist has no intention of resigning. There is much to be done. As citizens face greater economic punishment at the hands of an incompetent Dublin government and as rejectionists in the north gear up for more negativity our duty is face the future with confidence and to stand up for decent politics, fairness and equality. And a reunited Ireland. That is what leadership is about. The time for republican politics is now”.
    Stirring stuff..

    To be honest i'd rather not take lessons in fairness, equality and decency from a Two Home Socialist who has waged war on this island for thirty years and whose most admirable achievement is that he belatedly waved the white flag in surrender.

    If you believe that this nonsense will transform the prospects for sf in the Republic then you are sadly mistaken or deluded.

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    The republican view would be that partition of our island, our people, our economy, our markets etc has the effect of reducing opportunity and potential.

    The republican view would also be that since partition conservative reactionary politicians have taken power in both states and that progressive republicans politics which played a pivotal part in the 1916, and tan war have not yet had played their part in government.

    Also most of the people who argued against the war are now the same people who argue against our peaceful campaign for unity now saying that it’s not the right time, look at the economy etc. Why don’t the just come out and be honest the they are against full Irish independence and unity.

    Adams:

    “We are rebuked by some who say that this issue should not be raised in the midst of an economic crisis – we are told it’s not the right time.

    But then when would be the right time?

    The reality is that partition created two conservative states on the island of Ireland. Look at the history of discrimination and inequality and repression and poverty in the northern state! Look at the recent Ryan report and the manner in which successive Irish governments abdicated any responsibility for the welfare of children and young people to abusive systems in the southern state!

    The social, political and economic impact of partition has been profound and despite the progress of recent times partition continues to cast a shadow over our affairs.

    So now is exactly the right time to have the debate about Irish reunification”.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bradán feasa View Post
    I want to see more of the old Gerry Adams, maybe this is a start?

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    “This activist has no intention of resigning. There is much to be done. As citizens face greater economic punishment at the hands of an incompetent Dublin government and as rejectionists in the north gear up for more negativity our duty is face the future with confidence and to stand up for decent politics, fairness and equality. And a reunited Ireland. That is what leadership is about. The time for republican politics is now”.

    "The time for republican politics is now." Why didn't he put that at the start of his piece and explain what it means? That would have made more sense than just complaining and saying that there are things wrong. We all know there are things wrong but Gerry doesn't even remotely address how to deal with them much less the fact that in the 6 counties his party implements Thatcherite policies while calling for socialism in the 26. Riding 2 horses still.

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    Thanks for that Bradan, agree totally with Adams' points. Whether you agree with Sinn Fein's position or not there should be a more positive promotion of unity among all nationalists and republicans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdaly View Post
    "The time for republican politics is now." Why didn't he put that at the start of his piece and explain what it means? That would have made more sense than just complaining and saying that there are things wrong. We all know there are things wrong but Gerry doesn't even remotely address how to deal with them much less the fact that in the 6 counties his party implements Thatcherite policies while calling for socialism in the 26. Riding 2 horses still.
    that was sort of where I was going, its rhetoric without direction. Its like me syaing, we're going to New York, and not remotly explaining where i get the money, how we get there etc.

    What is Adams plan?
    How does he proposed getting from here to there?
    Republicanism is bandied about by different SF members at different times to mean different things, most notibly a recent thread about not wanting a 32 county ireland, but a socialst republic...

    As far as I'm concerned, I live in a republic, the people here have rejected socialist parties for decades... what is Adams offering? Just theology about a United ireland with out any idea of how to deliver it, or at the very least, no idea he wishes to express to the public and his voter base, on how to deliver it.

    He's an evangilist, nothing more.
    While he babbles on about equality, fairness and other totally nice aspirational things, he might recall people vote for solutions, not ideologies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adamirer View Post
    that was sort of where I was going, its rhetoric without direction. Its like me syaing, we're going to New York, and not remotly explaining where i get the money, how we get there etc.

    What is Adams plan?
    How does he proposed getting from here to there?
    Republicanism is bandied about by different SF members at different times to mean different things, most notibly a recent thread about not wanting a 32 county ireland, but a socialst republic...

    As far as I'm concerned, I live in a republic, the people here have rejected socialist parties for decades... what is Adams offering? Just theology about a United ireland with out any idea of how to deliver it, or at the very least, no idea he wishes to express to the public and his voter base, on how to deliver it.

    He's an evangilist, nothing more.
    While he babbles on about equality, fairness and other totally nice aspirational things, he might recall people vote for solutions, not ideologies.
    Yeah, there's not much meat to the bones of how to get a United Ireland and I don't think Gerry is claiming he has all the answers. It's obviously going to be a complicated and long journey to get to a UI. It's not going to be achieved by just Sinn Fein so I think it's a bit daft to expect some sort of step by step by Gerry Adams. It's a start, to raise the social conscience of unity of people on the island and why we should thrieve for it. Because alot of people on the island have become apathetic towards it.

    What I take from the recent speeches by Gerry and columns written by Sinn Fein members is that the party are to re-organise themselves after the peace settlement and focus on unity. It's all early days so we'll see what ideas, etc they have in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bradán feasa View Post
    I want to see more of the old Gerry Adams, maybe this is a start?

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    “This activist has no intention of resigning. There is much to be done. As citizens face greater economic punishment at the hands of an incompetent Dublin government and as rejectionists in the north gear up for more negativity our duty is face the future with confidence and to stand up for decent politics, fairness and equality. And a reunited Ireland. That is what leadership is about. The time for republican politics is now”.
    I have to confess to a bit of a problem with that word - especially the re part

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