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    Default Global Warming: Time for action.

    Even as Michael McDowell was arguing that efforts to address Global Warming must take second place to economic "Growth" on Sam Smyth's show today, news was arriving from Washington that the penny has finally dropped.

    Bush 'prepares emissions U-turn'

    President Bush is preparing an astonishing U-turn on global warming, senior Washington sources say.

    After years of trying to sabotage agreements to tackle climate change he is drawing up plans to control emissions of carbon dioxide and rapidly boost the use of renewable energy sources.

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    Over the past few days rumours swept the capital that the "Toxic Texan" would announce his conversion this week, in an attempt to reduce the impact of a major speech tomorrow by Al Gore on solutions to climate change.

    The White House denied the timing, but did not deny that a change of policy was on its way. Sources say that the most likely moment is the President's State of the Union address in January.

    For a little more background on the issue:

    Inconvenient truths (for Al Gore and the rest of the planet)
    Suddenly global warming has come in from the cold. A potent combination of startling natural events, growing public pressure, and pioneering political commitments has brought it storming up the agenda.

    Even many of the previously sceptical are now convinced. For example, who would have thought the leader of the Conservative Party would become Britain's most potent champion of radical action to combat climate change, or that he would share platforms with the leader of Friends of the Earth?

    And who would have imagined Arnold Schwarzenegger - famous as for his devotion to the Humvee, the greatest of the gas guzzlers - would defy his party, as Governor of California, to drive through the world's most ambitious programme for cutting the pollution that causes global warming?

    And as we report (right), even the "Toxic Texan" himself - President George W Bush, who set out to kill the Kyoto Protocol and all international attempts to tackle the problem - is laying the ground for a U-turn.
    "Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest." Mark Twain

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    Quote Originally Posted by SPN
    Even as Michael McDowell was arguing that efforts to address Global Warming must take second place to economic "Growth" on Sam Smyth's show today, news was arriving from Washington that the penny has finally dropped.

    Bush 'prepares emissions U-turn'

    President Bush is preparing an astonishing U-turn on global warming, senior Washington sources say.

    After years of trying to sabotage agreements to tackle climate change he is drawing up plans to control emissions of carbon dioxide and rapidly boost the use of renewable energy sources.

    .....

    Over the past few days rumours swept the capital that the "Toxic Texan" would announce his conversion this week, in an attempt to reduce the impact of a major speech tomorrow by Al Gore on solutions to climate change.

    The White House denied the timing, but did not deny that a change of policy was on its way. Sources say that the most likely moment is the President's State of the Union address in January.

    For a little more background on the issue:

    Inconvenient truths (for Al Gore and the rest of the planet)
    [quote:3k6kvxci]Suddenly global warming has come in from the cold. A potent combination of startling natural events, growing public pressure, and pioneering political commitments has brought it storming up the agenda.

    Even many of the previously sceptical are now convinced. For example, who would have thought the leader of the Conservative Party would become Britain's most potent champion of radical action to combat climate change, or that he would share platforms with the leader of Friends of the Earth?

    And who would have imagined Arnold Schwarzenegger - famous as for his devotion to the Humvee, the greatest of the gas guzzlers - would defy his party, as Governor of California, to drive through the world's most ambitious programme for cutting the pollution that causes global warming?

    And as we report (right), even the "Toxic Texan" himself - President George W Bush, who set out to kill the Kyoto Protocol and all international attempts to tackle the problem - is laying the ground for a U-turn.
    [/quote:3k6kvxci]

    Thank God, although I'd still be a little sceptical about Bush and co's committment. The Republicans know that the environment is a major vote loser for them and that its one of the things the Democrats consistently out-poll them on. I hope that this isnt' just a little sweetener in preparation for the November midterms.

    As for Mr Gore, Im reading a book at the moment about the move towards Kyoto and his is a name that appeared from the very start. He's no new arrival to the battle against carbon issues and has been talking about it for over 20 years now, long before it was popular or beneficial to do so. He's the real deal, despite his inability to get much concrete committments made during his time as VP, but then that's due more to the lack of influence of that office than anything on his part.
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    Any opinions regarding China?

    Have they signed up for Kyoto?
    The next revolution will be, when those who work refuse to support those who don't.

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    More Bushit. I do not trust that man one jot. He has a good spin team around him and that's all it's gonna be. I'm often wrong but I wish I could be wrong on that.
    We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when creating them

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    Profiteering from the ice thaw is an article in Spiegel Online about how oil companies are rubbing their hands at the prospect of oil under the arctic, the thawing of which has, of course, been brought about by the burning of their products.

    So, we carrying on burning at an ever-faster rate the stuff we've found and accessed that's destroying this planet; then we uncover a veritable treasure trove of the stuff. What happens then? Cripes.

    There's also the following, for which I can't find a link at present:

    Melting ice pack 'now allows ship to reach North Pole'
    By Roger Highfield Sc473 words
    21 September 2006
    The Daily Telegraph

    (c) 2006 Telegraph Group Limited, London
    ARCTIC ice cover has melted so much that a ship could have sailed unhindered from northern Europe to the North Pole itself a few weeks ago, according to images released yesterday by scientists.

    Satellite images acquired from Aug 23-25 have shown for the first time dramatic openings - larger than the size of the British Isles - in the Arctic's year-round sea ice pack north of Svalbard, and extending into the Russian Arctic all the way to the North Pole.

    The images were acquired by instruments aboard Envisat and EOS Aqua, two satellites operated by the European Space Agency (ESA).

    "This situation is unlike anything observed in previous record low-ice seasons,'' said Mark Drinkwater, of ESA's Oceans/Ice Unit. "It is highly imaginable that a ship could have passed from Spitzbergen or Northern Siberia through what is normally pack ice to reach the North Pole without difficulty.''

    Mr Drinkwater added: "If this anomaly continues, the Northeast Passage, or 'Northern Sea Route' between Europe and Asia will be open over longer intervals, and it is conceivable we might see attempts at sailing around the world directly across the summer Arctic Ocean within 10 to 20 years.''

    Regular satellite monitoring over the past 25 years shows that the northern polar ice cover has shrunk and thinned as global temperatures have risen. But this year's images are unprecedented, and fierce storms that fragmented and scattered already thin pack ice may be to blame, the scientists believe.

    The data were gathered by Envisat's Advanced Synthetic Aperture Radar instrument and the AMSR-E instrument aboard the EOS Aqua satellite and revealed around five to 10 per cent of the Arctic's perennial sea ice, which had survived the summer melt season, has been fragmented by late summer storms.

    Satellites have witnessed reductions in the minimum ice extent - the lowest amount of ice recorded in the area annually - at the end of summer from around eight million square kilometres in the early 1980s to less than 5.5 million square kilometres in 2005, changes widely viewed as a consequence of greenhouse warming.

    Data gathered by Nasa satellites and published today in Nature show that Greenland continued to lose ice mass at a significant rate during April, and the rate is accelerating.

    The University of Colorado study indicates that from April 2004 to April 2006, Greenland was shedding ice at about two-and-a-half times the rate of the previous two years.

    Scientists believe that large amounts of fresh water purged from Greenland's eastern coast could help to weaken the counter clockwise flow of the North Atlantic Current, lowering water and wind temperatures and potentially triggering abrupt cooling events in northern Europe.
    ...each of which articles come across as demonstrating either the wanton and irredeemable stupidity of humans and/or their nihilistic nonchalance.

    Of the people who care about this world and its inhabitants, none can do much to prevent such events. The people who can, won't. Their salaries depend upon not doing anything.

    Sometimes, I'm ashamed to be a member of this species.
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    Quote Originally Posted by david
    Of the people who care about this world and its inhabitants, none can do much to prevent such events. The people who can, won't. Their salaries depend upon not doing anything.

    Sometimes, I'm ashamed to be a member of this species.
    Never stop fighting. We can do nothing about other jurisdictions but our own. We can turn Ireland into a shining example of how to maximise the use of wind and wave.
    In how to reduce and reuse and recycle.
    How to encourage the use of hybrid cars and bio-fuels.

    I think we will turn the corner on cleaner everything within the next couple of decades.
    If the French and Japanese can make that fussion yoke work we might well see a much brighter future.

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    Hybrid and Bio-fuel cars should only be considered as a temporary solution until safe and efficient hydrogen fuel cells come on line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hiker
    Never stop fighting. We can do nothing about other jurisdictions but our own. We can turn Ireland into a shining example of how to maximise the use of wind and wave.
    And the chances of this happening? Come on, H, be realistic. The desperation to privatise the ESB means net metering and micro-generation are buried. Nimbys abound anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by hiker
    In how to reduce and reuse and recycle.
    The need to maintain 'growth' only sees the waste problem getting bigger and bigger. Roche being in bed with Indaver means reduction is off the table, reuse means, well, taking MNCs and local companines on, something this government is ideologically incapable of and recycle will be impossible when these incinerators come on stream. We'll be fined for minimising waste.

    Quote Originally Posted by hiker
    How to encourage the use of hybrid cars and bio-fuels.
    No. You are wrong. Hybrids for a start have poor mileage and anyway are a sticking plaster. And, so long as it is perfectly legal - indeed, encouraged - for any private vehicle to do under 50 miles to the gallon, we're all just ignoring the elephant in the room. Fewer cars, of any sort, is part of the answer. There's not enough land for bio-fuels. Forget it. Walk, get a horse, a bike, use the train and bus. But cars? One of the most inefficient methods of transporting a body ever. You take yourself and at least a ton of metal out to get the paper. Gah.

    Quote Originally Posted by hiker
    I think we will turn the corner on cleaner everything within the next couple of decades.
    I'm an optimist as well, H. Even though I see huge sheds being put up to worship Tesco, Homebase, Currys, the 'car villages', all grossly inefficient in terms of heating and lighting, all dedicated to pushing more stuff onto us, I am still (just) an optimist. When I see someone with a trophy house put up a solar panel (running on ESB juice) whilst a couple of suvs in the front are illuminated by 400 watt floodlights, I am still (only just) an optimist.

    Quote Originally Posted by hiker
    If the French and Japanese can make that fussion yoke work we might well see a much brighter future.
    Oh no...
    We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when creating them

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    Quote Originally Posted by cjryan
    Hybrid and Bio-fuel cars should only be considered as a temporary solution until safe and efficient hydrogen fuel cells come on line.
    That won't be for another 30 years.

    Bicycles are another, and more likely, interim solution!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SPN
    Quote Originally Posted by cjryan
    Hybrid and Bio-fuel cars should only be considered as a temporary solution until safe and efficient hydrogen fuel cells come on line.
    That won't be for another 30 years.

    Bicycles are another, and more likely, interim solution! :wink:
    This is a suggested preferred personal transport policy:

    • 1 Don't make the journey
      2 Walk
      3 Horse
      4 Cycle
      5 Train
      6 Bus
      7 Don't make the journey
    We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when creating them

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