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Thread: Would Irish farmers be better off if farm subsidies were abolished completely?

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    Default Would Irish farmers be better off if farm subsidies were abolished completely?

    The price of food has got too cheap. Farmers don't seem to have copped on that the real real reason that farm subsidies exist is to keep the price of food down to the general population. It is all about keeping the inflation rate down across the EU. If the food price doubled, workers would start demanding huge pay rises. Rowdy farmers are a lot easier to deal with than a hungry population. If food subsidies were abolished, food would find its own true market level.

    Why don't Irish farmers realise that they are being taken for a ride by their own farm leaders. If the farm cuts are pushed through a lot of Irish farmers will have to get out of farming. They will have to sell their land at a lower cost than they thought it was worth. The farm leaders realise that this is going happen, but a lot of the larger farmers will take advantage of this situation by buying up the land at a lower cost.

    A lot of small Irish farmers should start realising that the IFA leadership is no longer acting in the interest of the broad mass of Irish farming. They should start realising that a complete abolition of farm subsidies would be in the long term interest of Irish farming. They need to cotton on to this fact before it's too late for them.

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    Yes, if people continued to shop locally and not choose cheaper inferior products, imported without quality assurance.

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    I'm afraid that's not how subsidies work. Subsidies are given out so that the price of food produced within the EU is reduced at point of sale. Farmers gain less from trade, but they earn more from subsidies themselves, which in Ireland often form a significant part of farm income. It's not in their interest to have subsidies removed because the new, higher price they charge would induce people to switch to alternatives to EU-produced food, i.e. food from outside the EU.

    I think the CAP should be abolished, but I don't think it would be in the interest of the agricultural sector to do so, just the country as a whole.

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    The OP is way off the mark, farmers have been recieving immense sums of money over the decades through the Common Agricultural Policy- if anything without these handouts, half of them would have been killed off financially years ago. Yes cut the subsidies, and let them fend for themselves. And don't pretend that subsidies work to the detriment of farmers- the complete opposite is the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by willoughby View Post
    Yes, if people continued to shop locally and not choose cheaper inferior products, imported without quality assurance.
    There is no such thing as cheap food. It is a contradiction in terms. The British Govt is importing cheap meat from Brazil, they couldn't care less what they feed their population. This cheap meat from Brazil is destroying half of the Brazilian rain forest. This is a hidden cost which is never factored into the price.

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    This cheap meat from Brazil is destroying half of the Brazilian rain forest. This is a hidden cost which is never factored into the price.
    Hold on now, feeding the population of the world is more important than some forest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galmor View Post
    Hold on now, feeding the population of the world is more important than some forest.
    The loss of the Brazilian rain forest is supposed to be a huge factor in climate-change. If climate-change is to be believed it is going to have a detrimental effect on the world's poor

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galmor View Post
    The OP is way off the mark, farmers have been recieving immense sums of money over the decades through the Common Agricultural Policy- if anything without these handouts, half of them would have been killed off financially years ago. Yes cut the subsidies, and let them fend for themselves. And don't pretend that subsidies work to the detriment of farmers- the complete opposite is the case.
    You are missing my point. Of course farmers would have been killed off without the farm payments. But they are only going to disappear gradually over the next ten years. Farmers would be better to look for their complete abolition now. These subsidies are distorting the market in favour of the larger farmers.

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    The loss of the Brazilian rain forest is supposed to be a huge factor in climate-change. If climate-change is to be believed it is going to have a detrimental effect on the world's poor
    Climate change- warming or cooling? No keeping poorer countries like Brazil from trading in agricultural produce with the rest of the World or Europe; for the sake of some greedy Irish or French farmers is what would have a detrimental effect on the world's poor. Whether it be CAP, or REPS cut them off of it- they've had it too easy for decades now. And if they start whinging and blocking up the City centre with their tractors again, well tough- the system will progress regardless.

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    In Cloughjordan a group of around 60 households have started a Community Supported Agriculture Scheme. Each household pays a weekly sub covering the cost of the farmers wages, the machinery, land etc.

    In effect they each own a share of the farm, and in return get all their fresh produce (fruit and veg, milk, eggs, & meat occsionally). Farmer is guaranteed an income, and the members get to eat fresh organic food that they've seen growing the week before.
    “A healthy social life is found only, when in the mirror of each soul the whole community finds its reflection, and when in the whole community the virtue of each one is living” R. Steiner

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