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    Oh ok, provocative title but either he is mad, he's confused or he's a liar.

    I think it's the latter, he pulled a Bertiesque "socialist" moment recently...

    "I am a firm believer in the power of the free market," President Obama told the Wall Street Journal recently.

    "I actually would like to see a relatively light touch when it comes to the government."


    Actions speak louder than words...

    "There is no individual salvation without collective salvation,"

    From the same mouth...

    Confused?

    Gene Healy on Obama's statist ambitions

    By: GENE HEALY
    Examiner Columnist | 6/30/09 6:15 AM
    "I am a firm believer in the power of the free market," President Obama told the Wall Street Journal recently. The "irony" surrounding his public image as a collectivist, the president insisted, was that "I actually would like to see a relatively light touch when it comes to the government."
    Either Obama is as confused about the definition of irony as pop singer Alanis "rain on your wedding day" Morrisette, or he was being disingenuous. Given the president's ambitious, state-bloating agenda and longtime disdain for free enterprise, the latter is more likely the case.
    Back in 2008, then-presidential candidate Hillary Clinton declared "we need a president who is ready on day one to be commander in chief of our economy." You can't find that role in the Constitution, but Barack Obama has embraced it nonetheless. The president is hell-bent on further extending government control over Americans' health care, and the administration-backed cap and trade bill that passed the House Friday, would, among other things, create a national building code. A "light touch," indeed.
    Despite what the president told the Journal, there's little in his biography to suggest he's ever been a defender of markets. To recognize that, you don't need conspiracy theories about connections to leftist radicals; you need only look at what Obama himself has said in his franker moments.
    Fresh out of college, before becoming a community organizer, Obama took a job with a consulting firm that helped American companies operating abroad. The horror of editing business manuals for a year gave Obama a lesson in the "coldness of capitalism," he told biographer David Mendell. "I would imagine myself as a captain of industry, barking out orders, closing the deal, before I remembered who it was that I had told myself that I wanted to be."
    As his career progressed, Obama tempered his critique of capitalism, and developed an uncanny ability to make free-marketeers believe he's simpatico. Meanwhile, he amassed one of the least business-friendly records in the Senate (the "most liberal senator" in 2007, according to the nonpartisan National Journal.)
    But in a 2005 commencement address at Illinois' Knox College, Obama let his guard down, and let loose a leftist stemwinder that would have done Rep. Dennis Kucinich, D-OH, proud.
    "There is no individual salvation without collective salvation," Obama proclaimed, making clear that government would stand in for God as our savior.
    In that speech, Obama excoriated President George W. Bush's "Ownership Society" as "Social Darwinism--every man or woman for him or herself;" an oddly venomous take on an umbrella term for increased citizen control over health care and retirement options. The "Ownership Society" was hardly capitalism unbound: it included giveaways like free pills for seniors and down-payment assistance for low-income homebuyers.
    In his inaugural address, Obama took aim at the "cynics" who dared to "question the scale of our ambitions" (was that the royal first person plural?) Lately, though, the cynics have been making a comeback. Even the president's supporters are wondering if his reach has exceeded his grasp.
    Nearly half of Americans now think the unspent portion of the stimulus package should be cancelled. Fewer than half approve of Obama's "speculator"-denouncing, CEO-firing approach to the auto bailouts, and six in 10 tell pollsters that he lacks a clear plan for taming our burgeoning deficit.
    Cap-and-trade is likely to stall in the Senate, and with the Congressional Budget Office scoring the leading health-care bill at $1.6 trillion over 10 years, "sticker shock" may kill Obamacare as well.
    Obama's popularity remains substantially higher than that of his policies. But that gap can't persist indefinitely. Our last Democratic president, Bill Clinton, came into office with ambitious plans to take over the health-care sector, then one-seventh of the US economy. The electorate slapped him back. Will Obama meet a similar fate?
    Obama is as dedicated to enhancing federal power as any president in 50 years. But increasing public resistance may yet frustrate Obama's ambitions. If so, it may turn out that, when the final record is tallied, the nominally pro-market George W. Bush will--with TARP, the Iraq War, and the prescription drug entitlement--have done more to grow government than the dedicated statist Barack Obama. Wouldn't that be ironic?

    Examiner columnist Gene Healy is a vice president at the Cato Institute and the author of "The Cult of the Presidency."
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    An interesting article, though I am instantly suspicious of any offering from the Cato Institute.

    Our last Democratic president, Bill Clinton, came into office with ambitious plans to take over the health-care sector, then one-seventh of the US economy. The electorate slapped him back. Will Obama meet a similar fate?
    One small point. While eager to cite public opinion polls, the author has apparently failed to note that Obama’s health care plan is supported by most.

    According to http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publ...le_4862.shtml:
    85 percent of respondents said the health care system needed to be fundamentally changed or completely rebuilt, nearly 60 percent said they would be willing to pay higher taxes to make sure that all were insured, and 72 percent supported a government-administered insurance plan -- something like Medicare for those under 65 -- that would compete for customers with private insurers, versus 20 percent that said they were opposed.

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    The consulting firm that Obama worked for fresh from college was BIC Corporation, known as a CIA front organisation from the 1970s on.

    The company has been identified as cover organization for the Central Intelligence Agency, e.g. see Lobster Magazine, issue 14 in 1987. According to a lengthy article in the New York Times in 1977, the co-founder of the company told the newspaper that "Eldridge Haynes [the other founder] had provided cover for four CIA employees in various countries between 1955 and 1960".[2]
    Barack Obama's post-graduate CIA employment


    Business International Corporation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    CONTRIBUTIONS FOR OBAMA FOR AMERICA


    BIC kindly contributed to Obama's election campaign.


    I don't think capitalism has anything to fear from Obama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cactusflower View Post
    The consulting firm that Obama worked for fresh from college was BIC Corporation, known as a CIA front organisation from the 1970s on.
    Yes, but people worked for American Airlines or picked banannas in central American in the 60's and 70's worked for the CIA too. Are they all spies?

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    I heard Kissinger gave him his first job?
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    Of course he's a liar, he's the biggest liar, he's the PRESIDENT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thac0man View Post
    Yes, but people worked for American Airlines or picked banannas in central American in the 60's and 70's worked for the CIA too. Are they all spies?
    It's all a CIA backed conspiracy as far as cactus flower is concerned. If she doesn't like it it's a CIA backed right wing conspiracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cd27 View Post
    I heard Kissinger gave him his first job?
    Obama's history has been extensively trawled by the hostile right. People who wanted to see the back of Bush have tended to be defensive in relation to these attacks. The right notice that Obama has had some pretty odd connections, Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dorhn of the Weathermen terror group for example. They don't like that he is from mixed races and they don't like the language he uses. They interpret all this as signs that he is a secret Muslim or communist.

    I don't know of any Kissinger connection. Brzezinski is said to have been Obama's academic advisor when he studied sovietology in Columbia.

    I didn't say Obama was in the CIA. Will you all stop with the conspiracy theories?

    Real conspiracy theorists say that Obama is a communist who has infiltrated the CIA.

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    I think the latest leak shows how out of step the POTUS is:

    Japanese Government Nixed Idea of Obama Visiting, Apologizing for, Hiroshima* - ABC News

    In September 2009, US Ambassador to Japan John Roos reported to the Obama administration that the Japanese government did not think it was a good idea for President Obama to visit Hiroshima to apologize for the US having dropped an atomic bomb on that city, a secret cable published by Wikileaks revealed.
    Roos wrote the cable after his August meeting with Vice Foreign Minister Mitoji Yabunaka, reporting to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton that the Japanese government felt “the idea of President Obama visiting Hiroshima to apologize for the atomic bombing during World War II is a ‘non-starter.’ While a simple visit to Hiroshima without fanfare is sufficiently symbolic to convey the right message, it is premature to include such program in the November visit.”
    So Obama wanted to apologise for the United States destroying with extreme violence the "co-prosperity" sphere that Japan was building & by doing so the US saved untold numbers of people in a land war.

    Its such a put-down that the Japanese werent even entertaining this nonsense. It would seem they would have lost face for Obama to have belittled his own country in such a way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Telemachus View Post
    ... while saving untold numbers of people in a land war... ?
    Such a strange post its hard to know what your saying. Is this your supposition or somebody else's ?
    Last edited by Bonsai Experiment; 14th October 2011 at 12:55 AM.

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