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    The Free Movement of People Directive is one of the biggest scams ever fostered on this country by the EU.

    Free Movement of People Directive


    Beneficiaries
    1. This Directive shall apply to all Union citizens who move
    to or reside in a Member State other than that of which they
    are a national, and to their family members as defined in point
    2 of Article 2 who accompany or join them.
    2. Without prejudice to any right to free movement and
    residence the persons concerned may have in their own right,
    the host Member State shall, in accordance with its national
    legislation, facilitate entry and residence for the following
    persons:
    (a) any other family members, irrespective of their nationality,
    not falling under the definition in point 2 of Article 2 who,
    in the country from which they have come, are dependants
    or members of the household of the Union citizen
    having
    the primary right of residence, or where serious health
    grounds strictly require the personal care of the family
    member by the Union citizen;
    (b) the partner with whom the Union citizen has a durable
    relationship, duly attested.
    This Article is being used by Nigerian scammers and Pakistani students to engage in fraudulent marriages in order to bi-pass our immigration policies. Now every failed asylum seeker and non-EU student can marry an EU citizen, usually from Eastern Europe, and get residence based on this scam. Not only that but the Polish or Latvian spouse can be brought over for the sole purpose of engaging in this fraud.

    The family members or dependents includes parents, grandparents, children, brothers, sisters or any other 'dependants' the scammers can come up with. So a failed Nigerian asylum seeker or a student can enter the country, engage in a sham marriage and then claim his relatives are now dependant or members of the household of the EU citizen and bring the whole family over here.

    The checks allowed for this are extremely flimsy because of the directive so the State has very little scope for stopping this fraud.


    Article 24
    Equal treatment
    1. Subject to such specific provisions as are expressly
    provided for in the Treaty and secondary law, all Union citizens
    residing on the basis of this Directive in the territory of the
    host Member State shall enjoy equal treatment with the
    nationals of that Member State within the scope of the Treaty.
    The benefit of this right shall be extended to family members
    who are not nationals of a Member State and who have the
    right of residence or permanent residence.

    2. By way of derogation from paragraph 1, the host
    Member State shall not be obliged to confer entitlement to
    social assistance during the first three months of residence
    or,
    where appropriate, the longer period provided for in Article
    14(4)(b),
    This Article completely over-ruled the 2 year ban on social welfare that was declared by the government at the time of enlargement in order to stop welfare tourism. This was anounced at the time following a similar anouncement by the UK.

    We now have the situation that any EU citizen and their non-EU 'family members' can claim social welfare by looking for work and claim all the additional benefits like social housing, medical cards, childrens allowance etc etc etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lthse View Post
    The Free Movement of People Directive is one of the biggest scams ever fostered on this country by the EU.

    Free Movement of People Directive




    This Article is being used by Nigerian scammers and Pakistani students to engage in fraudulent marriages in order to bi-pass our immigration policies. Now every failed asylum seeker and non-EU student can marry an EU citizen, usually from Eastern Europe, and get residence based on this scam. Not only that but the Polish or Latvian spouse can be brought over for the sole purpose of engaging in this fraud.

    The family members or dependents includes parents, grandparents, children, brothers, sisters or any other 'dependants' the scammers can come up with. So a failed Nigerian asylum seeker or a student can enter the country, engage in a sham marriage and then claim his relatives are now dependant or members of the household of the EU citizen and bring the whole family over here.

    The checks allowed for this are extremely flimsy because of the directive so the State has very little scope for stopping this fraud.




    This Article completely over-ruled the 2 year ban on social welfare that was declared by the government at the time of enlargement in order to stop welfare tourism. This was anounced at the time following a similar anouncement by the UK.

    We now have the situation that any EU citizen and their non-EU 'family members' can claim social welfare by looking for work and claim all the additional benefits like social housing, medical cards, childrens allowance etc etc etc.
    That's half the scam. The other bit is the use of the racist card to supress opposition to it. This scam has been going on for a while now. I suppose it took a recession to concentrate peoples minds against it.

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    This is a major issue in this campaign and underlines the necessity of voting for Libertas next Friday. No other party supports tighter immigration controls within the EU. Finally the Irish people are being presented with the choice of voting for candidates who favour tighter controls. An electoral revolt against the elite beckons next Friday.

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    Did you think the EU was some sort of money funnel that sent gushing loads of cash Ireland's way????

    It is an EU policy. You can take your Philippino wife to Germany and Hans can bring his to Ireland.

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    I'm self employed. If my work dries up, is there an EU country that will pay me some benefit to live on ? There is zero here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geckko View Post
    Did you think the EU was some sort of money funnel that sent gushing loads of cash Ireland's way????

    It is an EU policy. You can take your Philippino wife to Germany and Hans can bring his to Ireland.
    The problem is not that Hans can take his genuine wife and family here and vice versa, the problem is that any bogus asylum seeker, bogus student or illegal immigrant can arrange a fraudulant marriage or pretense partnership to an Eastern European and gain full residency rights. They can then bring any relatives they want and claim social welfare. That's what's happening now.

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    The OP has distorted the quoted articles.

    The Directive provides for member states to protect themselves from marriages of convience

    And on the OP's second point, that of welfare entitlment. After 3 months member states cannot discriminate between home nationals and foreign EU nationals(and their families). The Irish government have gotten around this by applying the 2 year rule to Irish nationals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by euroboy View Post
    The OP has distorted the quoted articles.

    The Directive provides for member states to protect themselves from marriages of convience
    Marriages of convenience are very hard to prove which was why the State originally insisted that they had to be living in another Member State prior to moving here. This was overturned in the ECJ "Metock" case. The evidence of proof required for residence is set out in the directive making it even more difficult to prove:

    2. For the residence card to be issued, Member States shall
    require presentation of the following documents:
    (a) a valid passport;
    (b) a document attesting to the existence of a family relationship
    or of a registered partnership;
    (c) the registration certificate or, in the absence of a registration
    system, any other proof of residence in the host
    Member State of the Union citizen whom they are accompanying
    or joining;
    (d) in cases falling under points (c) and (d) of Article 2(2),
    documentary evidence that the conditions laid down
    therein are met;
    (e) in cases falling under Article 3(2)(a), a document issued by
    the relevant authority in the country of origin or country
    from which they are arriving certifying that they are dependants
    or members of the household of the Union citizen, or
    proof of the existence of serious health grounds which
    strictly require the personal care of the family member by
    the Union citizen;
    (f) in cases falling under Article 3(2)(b), proof of the existence
    of a durable relationship with the Union citizen.

    Quote Originally Posted by euroboy View Post
    And on the OP's second point, that of welfare entitlment. After 3 months member states cannot discriminate between home nationals and foreign EU nationals(and their families). The Irish government have gotten around this by applying the 2 year rule to Irish nationals.
    This applies to Jobseeker's Benefit not Jobseeker's Allowance and other social welfare payments.

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    As an EU citizen with a non-EEA wife and child, I am very happy with the law that allows us to live anywhere in the EU, as a family.

    Do you object to me and my family living here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by seabhcan View Post
    As an EU citizen with a non-EEA wife and child, I am very happy with the law that allows us to live anywhere in the EU, as a family.

    Do you object to me and my family living here?
    Absolutely not, you sound like you are in a genuine marriage and not trying to fraudulently abuse our immigration policies.

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