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    Question The Gay Agenda (aka Equality agenda): what's left to achieve?

    The 3 most important civil rights matters have been achieved, one was years behind Europe and the other two as a result of European agenda but were still delivered (by the 97 to 2002 government)ahead of other jurisdictions (eg the Brits).

    1) Decriminisiation of certain male consensual acts (or decriminisiation homosexuality as idiots with an agenda refer to it).
    2) Employment equality legislation.
    3) Equal Status Act ie non-discrimination in provision of goods and services.

    So what's left?
    1) Civil Partnership - this will end discrimination on tax, maintenance, property rights, domestic violence, naturalisiation, next of kin rights and inheritance. It has been coming for a long time.
    2) Joint Adoption - a single gay person can already adopt, this would extend it to joint adoption by a couple who who's relationship is recogised by the State ie in a CP.

    Both of these require legislation and there is political acceptance for them.

    Tricker stuff:
    3) Marriage Equality - this will probably require a referendum, the passing of which would be far from certain. And for what? - equality of nomemclature.
    4) Repealing the opt-outs from the Employment Equality (and Equal status) which allow discrimination of people on the grounds of sexuality in order to protect the ethos of an instutition. It has never been invoked, but would it be politically acceptable to push to have (openly) gay people in Catholic schools at the moment?
    5) Extending a full health screening programme to (non-pregnant) Lesbians which are given to preganant women.


    The pinko-liberal loo-la stuff:
    6) Including gay couples in school books.
    7) A mimimum quota of gay candidates in elections.
    8) Bodies or Organs of the State to march in Gay Pride events.
    9) Requiring a certain % of the gardai to be gay.
    10) Mandatory jail terms for expressing homophobic sentiments.
    11) Lifting the ban on blood donations from gay men (although think that confidence in the blood bank to be more important)

    Anything else?

    [Edit: I will edit this as I go along to include other matters which I have omitted]
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    The dogma of absolute "equality" is fundamentally flawed AFAIC.

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    This is a good summary. 1-5 of what's left all seem sensible to me. I think you've dismissed the marriage equality argument in terms of "equality of nomenclature" prematurely. Sometimes nomenclature matters, but there are plenty of threads already on that one. I wouldn't see number 6 as being loo-la stuff. I seem to recall homosexuality being discussed as part of classes on sex and relationships in school and that was several years ago. There are no losers in that - it reinforces the fact that gay people are normal and that there's nothing to fear. If that stops one homophobic assault or gay suicide years down the line it's a good thing.

    Quotas are a bad thing. I'd much rather people be employed on merit. But in this country, being someone's son is the only show in town when it comes to politics. Jail sentences for expressing anti-anything sentiments are wrong. But inciting violence is perhaps a separate issue. It's hard to draw the line there, and that's the case for racism and sectarianism too.

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    I think after the first 3 points, you rapidly go down hill. Balls to gay marriage.

    The only gay things I can think of , is blood donations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.De-Regulation View Post
    The only gay things I can think of , is blood donations.
    Forgot about that one. Add that in. The ban is pointless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Question R24U View Post
    3) Marriage Equality - this will probably require a referendum, the passing of which would be far from certain. And for what? - equality of nomemclature.
    Equality is important. If "Civil Partnership" is marriage in all but name only then the argument would be: why create "Civil Partnership" when we already have perfectly good institution for the purpose already? Of course, if "civil partnership" is different from marriage then, of course, your argument that it's only about equality of nomenclature is erroneous, as I'm sure you would accept.

    4) Repealing the opt-outs from the Employment Equality (and Equal status) which allow discrimination of people on the grounds of sexuality in order to protect the ethos of an instutition. It has never been invoked, but would it be politically acceptable to push to have (openly) gay people in Catholic schools at the moment?
    Quite simply the word Catholic and School shouldn't go together. A maths teacher should be judged on their teaching ability, record etc. No person paid, especially one paid by the state, should be discriminated against because of their sexuality. If "Catholic" boards of education don't like that then I would suggest that they get the ****************************** out of education (those who support indoctrination have no place in education anyway).

    5) Extending a full health screening programme to (non-pregnant) Lesbians which are given to preganant women.
    I don't know anything about this? What's going on here?

    6) Including gay couples in school books.
    There's nothing wrong with gay couples being in school books from time to time.

    7) A minimum quota of gay candidates in elections.
    Who adovcates this? It seems rather silly?

    8) Bodies or Organs of the State to march in Gay Pride events.
    Em? Lost me on this one.

    9) Requiring a certain % of the gardai to be gay.
    Who adovcates this? The sensible position is that a person who is gay shouldn't be discriminated against as a garda.

    10) Mandatory jail terms for expressing homophobic sentiments.
    I would say that if someone tries to stir up violence against homosexuals, black people, immigrants etc. that they should be prosecuted under hate crime legislation. For example, a priest who expresses the opinion that homosexuality is wrong is exercising free speech, but if he calls on Christians to assault homosexuals verbally or physically he should be prosecuted.

    11) Lifting the ban on blood donations from gay men (although think that confidence in the blood bank to be more important)
    That's not an unreasonable request.

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    The first two should be acceptable to most.
    3 and 4 are "trickier" ie very politicially divisive can fall into the category of having a row for its own sake.

    6 to 11 - have been raised from time to time, some are nuts (and made up by me) but some have been raised as real issues from time to time in other jurisdictions. The Blood ban one has its merits but it hardly constitites a denial of a major human/civil right not to be allowed to be *************************ed by a needle and give blood.
    If the banks are out for a bail,
    and Lenny's efforts end up as a fail,
    when the Somer does come,
    to the Country they'll run,
    And leave a Fine mess for the Gael.

    Endinf the one Party (FF) state:
    http://www.politics.ie/fianna-fail/5...ate-ended.html

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    Here is a tongue in cheek version:
    The Homosexual Agenda Revealed! Conservative Christians discover what radical homosexual activists are up to! Ex-gay Ministry: BASH Baptists Are Saving Homosexuals! Christians Proudly Hating Through Tbe Anointing of Jesus

    As every Christian knows, there is only one enemy that threatens our entire civilization. And I am, of course, not talking about Satan. I'm talking about those damned homosexuals! Yes, they give otherwise dull hair radiant highlights and our imperfect décor those fabulous flourishes that elude our more predictable heterosexual sensibilities, but at what price? In exchange for a little panache, we allow homosexuals to steal our children and destroy our Christian marriages. And how do they do this? With their secret masterplan -- The Homosexual Agenda!

    The Homosexual Agenda
    8:00 a.m. Wake up. Wonder where you are.

    8:01 a.m. Realize you are lying on 100 percent cotton sheets of at least a 300 count, so don't panic; you're not slumming.


    8:02 a.m. Realize you are actually in your own bed for a change. Wake stranger next to you and tell them you are late for work so won't be able to cook breakfast for them. Mutter "sorry" as you help him look for his far-flung underwear. You find out that you tore his boxers while ripping them off him last night, so you "loan" him a pair of boxer-briefs, but not the new ones because you never intend to see him again.
    ...

    9:36 a.m. Close door to office and call best friend and laugh about the guy who spent the night at your condo. Point out something annoying about best friend's boyfriend but quickly add "It doesn't matter what everyone else thinks, just as long as you love him."
    ...


    3:33 p.m. Assume complete control of the U.S., state, and local governments (in addition to other nations' governments); destroy all healthy Christian marriages; recruit all children grades Kindergarten through 12 into your amoral, filthy lifestyle; secure complete control of the media, starting with sitcoms; molest innocent children; give AIDS to as many people as you can; host a pornographic "art" exhibit at your local art museum; and turn people away from Jesus, causing them to burn forever in Hell.


    4:10 p.m. Time permitting, bring about the general decline of Western Civilization and look like you are having way too much fun doing it.
    If the banks are out for a bail,
    and Lenny's efforts end up as a fail,
    when the Somer does come,
    to the Country they'll run,
    And leave a Fine mess for the Gael.

    Endinf the one Party (FF) state:
    http://www.politics.ie/fianna-fail/5...ate-ended.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Question R24U View Post
    The 3 most important civil rights matters have been achieved, one was years behind Europe and the other two as a result of European agenda but were still delivered (by the 97 to 2002 government)ahead of other jurisdictions (eg the Brits).

    1) Decriminisiation of certain male consensual acts (or decriminisiation homosexuality as idiots with an agenda refer to it).
    2) Employment equality legislation.
    3) Equal Status Act ie non-discrimination in provision of goods and services.

    So what's left?
    1) Civil Partnership - this will end discrimination on tax, maintenance, property rights, domestic violence, naturalisiation, next of kin rights and inheritance. It has been coming for a long time.
    2) Joint Adoption - a single gay person can already adopt, this would extend it to joint adoption by a couple who who's relationship is recogised by the State ie in a CP.

    Both of these require legislation and there is political acceptance for them.

    Tricker stuff:
    3) Marriage Equality - this will probably require a referendum, the passing of which would be far from certain. And for what? - equality of nomemclature.
    4) Repealing the opt-outs from the Employment Equality (and Equal status) which allow discrimination of people on the grounds of sexuality in order to protect the ethos of an instutition. It has never been invoked, but would it be politically acceptable to push to have (openly) gay people in Catholic schools at the moment?
    5) Extending a full health screening programme to (non-pregnant) Lesbians which are given to preganant women.


    The pinko-liberal loo-la stuff:
    6) Including gay couples in school books.
    7) A mimimum quota of gay candidates in elections.
    8) Bodies or Organs of the State to march in Gay Pride events.
    9) Requiring a certain % of the gardai to be gay.
    10) Mandatory jail terms for expressing homophobic sentiments.
    11) Lifting the ban on blood donations from gay men (although think that confidence in the blood bank to be more important)

    Anything else?

    [Edit: I will edit this as I go along to include other matters which I have omitted]
    What about the exemption schools have on Equality Legislation if Religious as in 90% of irish schools or the fact gay bashing is still prevalent....need I go on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Question R24U View Post
    The 3 most important civil rights matters have been achieved, one was years behind Europe and the other two as a result of European agenda but were still delivered (by the 97 to 2002 government)ahead of other jurisdictions (eg the Brits).

    1) Decriminisiation of certain male consensual acts (or decriminisiation homosexuality as idiots with an agenda refer to it).
    2) Employment equality legislation.
    3) Equal Status Act ie non-discrimination in provision of goods and services.

    So what's left?
    1) Civil Partnership - this will end discrimination on tax, maintenance, property rights, domestic violence, naturalisiation, next of kin rights and inheritance. It has been coming for a long time.
    2) Joint Adoption - a single gay person can already adopt, this would extend it to joint adoption by a couple who who's relationship is recogised by the State ie in a CP.

    Both of these require legislation and there is political acceptance for them.

    Tricker stuff:
    3) Marriage Equality - this will probably require a referendum, the passing of which would be far from certain. And for what? - equality of nomemclature.
    4) Repealing the opt-outs from the Employment Equality (and Equal status) which allow discrimination of people on the grounds of sexuality in order to protect the ethos of an instutition. It has never been invoked, but would it be politically acceptable to push to have (openly) gay people in Catholic schools at the moment?
    5) Extending a full health screening programme to (non-pregnant) Lesbians which are given to preganant women.


    The pinko-liberal loo-la stuff:
    6) Including gay couples in school books.
    7) A mimimum quota of gay candidates in elections.
    8) Bodies or Organs of the State to march in Gay Pride events.
    9) Requiring a certain % of the gardai to be gay.
    10) Mandatory jail terms for expressing homophobic sentiments.
    11) Lifting the ban on blood donations from gay men (although think that confidence in the blood bank to be more important)

    Anything else?

    [Edit: I will edit this as I go along to include other matters which I have omitted]

    May I ask what is wrong with having openly gay teachers in school now or at any time?.... I am hoping beyond hope you are not linking child abuse with the gay community....please please tell me I am wrong???

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