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Thread: Thornton Hall negotiations called off

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    Default Thornton Hall negotiations called off

    Is this e-Voting MarkII? Thirty million paid for the land, but the prison to be built on it is too expensive? Or just a negotiating tactic?


    The Irish Prison Service announced this evening it has broken off negotiations with the Léargas Consortium, the preferred bidder in the competition to design, build, maintain and finance a major prison facility at Thornton Hall in north county Dublin.

    The Government paid some €30 million for agricultural land for the site, outside Swords in Co Dublin, as a location for the prison.

    In a statement, the Irish Prison Service said the lengthy negotiations on the project came to a head recently. Léargas were formally requested to submit their final financial offer for the project. Their offer was deemed

    “to be not affordable in light of the significant increase in the cost of finance”.
    Thornton Hall 'too expensive' - The Irish Times - Tue, May 19, 2009

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    FF do not want to build capacity into the Prison system

    especially not now as they lose their grip on power

    bertie should push for the development though as I dont think he will be happy in the 'Joy

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    hookie had something on this too and still prisoners slop out in the 'joy, tiger economy or no

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    Sem-ivictory I guess.

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    comptroller and auditor general linkie ?

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    So let me understand this:

    A FF-PD government bought land at double if not treble the correct price to build a prison.

    The location chosen was all wrong for building the prison.

    So having squandered millions on an unsuitable far too expensive green field site, the whole project is off!!!

    It seems like we now own the most farmland on the country.

    Well done, FF-PD. Almost literally, you have outbid yourselves in sheer utter stupidity.

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    I believe it's a disgrace the conditions prisoners are currently kept in.

    I also believe it's not good to send prisoners to an inaccessible place away from their families in the middle of nowhere like Thornton Hall.

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    Given the epidemic of violent crime, we desperately need more prisons. But the procrastination in this affair needs to be investigated to prevent it happening again. If there has been any wrongdoing by persons in this affair since its inception under other ministers then it should be severely punished.
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    Interesting the way the reference to the "significant increase in the cost of finance" in the prision services statement above ties in with this story from last Sept.

    Sunday Business Post | Irish Business News

    Léargas, the consortium selected to build the project on behalf of the state, was forced to tell the Department of Justice that the turmoil in the international credit markets was having a major impact on the proposed prison, which is being developed as a public private partnership (PPP).

    With the cost of credit escalating and potential lenders withdrawing their credit lines, the consortium informed the government that the cost of constructing the facility was rising fast.

    Just months after winning the battle to build the prison, Léargas now wants a new deal from the government. In particular, the consortium wants the terms of the original PPP to be recast to take into account the changed economic climate.
    Leargas are headed by McNamara's with Barclays Private Equity and GSL, an international prison operator. Between McNamara's difficulties and the state coffers it is hardly surprising that this was the result. After the way McNamara's ditched the housing PPP's in Dublin last year it would be nice if this caused him some grief..

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