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    What if 1798 had succeeded- what kind of a country would we have today? Would it be much different politically, culturally and economically- and would we such things as a 32 county republic, as well as a large population of about 20-40 million (given that our 1840 all-island population was nearly 9 million, against England's 15 million).
    Also would Irish be more widespoken than it is at the moment- and would our cities have arrested the decline which they faced in the 19th century (e.g. Dublin been reduced to slums).
    And more importantly would we be more mature politically given that our republic would now be 211 years old, with two centuries of experience- than the 87 years we have been independent.
    So what do you think, all opinions and thoughts welcome

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    Great question. That's the one I really wish had have been successful, much more so than the one that did.
    They had an infinitely greater vision for Ireland than the pederast Pearse or his inheritor Dev.
    The United Irishmen were visionaries, and it is tragic to think that within only a few years of their narrow failure, the insidious Act of Union had been signed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JCSkinner View Post
    Great question. That's the one I really wish had have been successful, much more so than the one that did.
    They had an infinitely greater vision for Ireland than the pederast Pearse or his inheritor Dev.
    The United Irishmen were visionaries, and it is tragic to think that within only a few years of their narrow failure, the insidious Act of Union had been signed.
    And your evidence that Pearse was a pederast? And no need to quote poetry .Has not even Ruth Dud Edfarts already rolled back on that? C'mon Skinner, you're better than that

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    No need to quote his own desires in his own words? He's hung by his own admission.
    In any case, the topic is 1798. Neither Wolfe Tone nor any other United Irishmen were penning odes to kissing little boys on the lips.
    And their vision for Ireland, as I said, was a much greater one than that of the 1916 crew.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JCSkinner View Post
    Great question. That's the one I really wish had have been successful, much more so than the one that did.
    They had an infinitely greater vision for Ireland than the pederast Pearse or his inheritor Dev.
    The United Irishmen were visionaries, and it is tragic to think that within only a few years of their narrow failure, the insidious Act of Union had been signed.
    Its hard to believe it, but had it succeeded we would have been one of the oldest republics in the world today (after America, France and Poland). The act of union a few years later, and about 10 million+ people immigrating over the course of the 19th century.
    What's specifically interesting in regards to the 1798 rebellion is that Napoleon himself spoke with regret that he had attacked Egypt that year instead of sending a large armada under his command to Ireland- had Napoleon's France landed ashore Ireland's coasts- England would pretty much have been ******************************ed. Like the Spanish armada of course- weather prevented the other landing in 1796

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    It didn't. Get over it.

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    What the hell has been with the weather through the centuries- because France and Spain would probably have succesfully invaded England

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    There's nothing wrong with examining the past, Tommy. It's called history. Nor is there anything wrong with discussing the ramifications of events had they turned out differently. It's called counter-history.
    Both are respected academic endeavours, which can lead to illumination and understanding. Though from your posts, I sometimes wonder if you are allergic to such things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TommyO'Brien View Post
    It didn't. Get over it.
    shut up

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCSkinner View Post
    No need to quote his own desires in his own words? He's hung by his own admission.
    In any case, the topic is 1798. Neither Wolfe Tone nor any other United Irishmen were penning odes to kissing little boys on the lips.
    And their vision for Ireland, as I said, was a much greater one than that of the 1916 crew.
    But you have no evidence apart from your opinion. The topic is 1798 and you were the one to throw in the fact that Pearse was a pederast. I'd agree his poetry sounds, shall we say a bit dodge, but there is zero evidence that he was a pederast and you know that.

    On topic, I'd say there'd be a hell of a lot more prods and a lot less west Brits.

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