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    Default Ireland may need nuclear power- Forfás

    The State agency, Forfás, has warned Ireland will face a liquid fuel crisis in the next ten to 15 years and may have to develop a nuclear power station to supply its electricity needs.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2006/0404/fuel.html

    Any thoughts I am totally against any such move

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    This has been discussed at length and I've said that although Ireland has publicly declared opposition to nuclear, the right money in the right pockets will reverse this position.

    Nuclear has been debunked so many times it's almost boring but so many trillions have been put into it that it has supporters with more money than sense.
    We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when creating them

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    In the Forfás energy plan renewable energy sources get a brief mention

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    http://www.oilbarrel.com/datasheets/dat ... ym=PVR.ISE

    so we,re running out of oil ? Or mebbe the governemnt just gave it away .

    After the ExxonMobil farm-in, Providence holds 16 per cent of the Dunquin prospect, which covers 700 sq km, straddles five exploration blocks and has the potential to hold 25 trillion cubic feet of gas and 4 billion barrels of liquids.

    Providence holds 80 per cent another frontier exploration licence, to the north of Dunquin in the central Porcupine Basin. This includes the Spanish Point discovery, which was drilled in 1981 and is thought to hold 1.8 trillion cubic feet of gas and 200 million barrels of liquids. Providence hopes to move this discovery towards development during 2006.
    Sovereignty entails control of our resources . Thanks to Ray Burke and Tony OReilly the Irish people have eff all . And now theyre going to kill us all with some nuclear nightmare , as if sellafields not bad enough .
    The trams in Dublin , their crowning acheivemnt of public service overturned about a fortnight after they went online . Theres major water seepage in the Dublin port tunnel and they reckon the tunnel roofs too low . The same politicians might want to build a nuclear plant now.


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    Renewable energy doesn't give the same output as fossel fuels, were not gonna solve this problem with windmills.

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    We consumed 25,000 GWatt Hours of electrical energy in 2004. ESB generated 65% of this. We imported most of the rest.

    This equates to 2800 MWatts of continuous power usage averaged over the year.

    The VAT take on 1 years electrical billing is about 600 Million Euro (sort of guess). This would pay for the capital cost of 600 MWatts wind energy plant. (approx 1 Million quid per Megawatt). As this is almost 20 % of our usage, surely its a no brainer not to go after wind.

    The gov have committed to 13% by 2008. We are currently on 3%. Its never going to happen.

    Nuclear is a completely unnecessary option.
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    a relative of mine has recently built a house with a solar panel installed . this leaves them with constant warm water . Irelands building boom was an opportunity for the government to offer incentives , never mind insist upon, solar panels being fitted to all new properties . A major part of the problem of oil usage in this country and adherence to Kyoto protocols could be solved this way .

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    Default Re: Ireland may need nuclear power- Forfás

    Quote Originally Posted by Marx
    The State agency, Forfás, has warned Ireland will face a liquid fuel crisis in the next ten to 15 years and may have to develop a nuclear power station to supply its electricity needs.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2006/0404/fuel.html

    Any thoughts I am totally against any such move
    Nukes don't produce liquid fuels. They produce electricity.

    We can generate all the electricity we need using Energy Crops and Wind.

    We can develop an Energy Crop Infrastructure for a fraction of the cost of a Nuke.

    We can also potentially meet our liquid fuels requirement from Energy Crops using Sun Fuel Technologies being developed by Companies such as Volkswagen.


    As usual, the headline writers have gone for the controversial, when the underlying message is much more important.

    It is highly significant that Forfas has acknowledged Peak Oil and the fact that we need to start preparing for it NOW.

    The Nukes issue is a red herring, and should be dismissed out of hand as such.

    In a new report, the agency warned that the world is approaching a point termed 'Peak Oil', where global oil production can no longer be increased.

    This will cause very rapid increases in oil prices and Ireland, according to the report, is one of the most vulnerable countries in the world to the crisis that would result.

    It warns that a sudden and more imminent onset of 'Peak Oil' could require the suspension of the Ireland's Kyoto environmental targets, because we would become more reliant on carbon intensive fuels like coal, gas, and peat.
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    The Nukes issue is a red herring
    Why is it red? 8)

    and should be dismissed out of hand as such.
    I sincerely hope it is what you say, I really do.

    As you say, the acknowlegment of peak oil is significant; it comes none too soon but, as with so many of this government's 'commitments', I have no real hopes.

    Read this as an example. It's from the Irish Times of the third of April 2006. I can't link to the original, "Taxpayers will pay high price for broken promises on Kyoto", because I am not subscribed to the paper.
    We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when creating them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gladstone
    Renewable energy doesn't give the same output as fossel fuels, were not gonna solve this problem with windmills.
    Yes, but this is the same as saying a 50W lightbulb doesn't give the same output as a 100W bulb. However, TWO 50W bulbs do.
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