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    This nepotism is so widespread that it's now almost considered an intrinsic part of Irish culture. However, it's clearly a big part of our problem. And all established political parties (particularly Labour) are involved in it. How do we put an end to this form of corruption?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phinaeus View Post
    This nepotism is so widespread that it's now almost considered an intrinsic part of Irish culture. However, it's clearly a big part of our problem. And all established political parties (particularly Labour) are involved in it. How do we put an end to this form of corruption?
    Why or how is it corruption? If the person does a good job then why not? Simon Coveney took over from his late father Hugh and is doing a fantastic job and he was democratically elected in a bye-election, I don't see the corruption there?

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    Why is it anymore surprising that a person growing up in a political household would enter politics when we think it's perfectly fine for a sportsperson or musician to pass that interest onto their children?

    It's not nepotism that's the problem it's corrupt individuals who are protected by a system which was never set up for the purposes of holding the likes of Beverly Flynn to account because it never crossed their mind that such people would be in politics.

    End all expenses and allowances for TDs and end the pension gravy train and then let the staff in their offices be appointed through a HR department and then publish yearly audited accounts of the cost of each TD and Senator plus all their fund raising to the penny - who from and what they spent.

    Also the bottom line is that despite how corrupt most FF politicians are there is still not even a hint that our elections are not free and fair so the reason so many gombeens are elected rests 100% with the people who keep voting for these people. If you really have to vote FF in Mayo, or anywhere else, then why not vote for the person standing for the first time instead of the gombeen crook.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phinaeus View Post
    This nepotism is so widespread that it's now almost considered an intrinsic part of Irish culture. However, it's clearly a big part of our problem. And all established political parties (particularly Labour) are involved in it. How do we put an end to this form of corruption?

    Pick at least two, preferably three of the following.........


    Term limits : 2 terms are more than enough.

    Failed politicians are precluded from holding any public funded office for at least 2 terms following defeat. That includes appointments to the Seanad, semi state sinecures, quangos and most important of all,k standing for a shoo-in seat elsewhere. No parachute for you a mhic. Find a job in the real world, learn how the general population lives.


    Open Primaries for candidate selection: If all taxpayers are paying for your political party, then all taxpayers have the right to decide who is put in front of them for election.

    or

    Constitutional Ban on relatives standing in the same or surrounding constituencies for at least two terms following retirement or death of the incumbent.

    "None of the above" : On the ballot paper with the same price for failure (above) if 'none of the above' tops the ballot.


    Politics is *not* a valid career choice and should be actively discouraged.

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    It is not corruption in that they candidates are duly selected and elected but it is bad for politics. The inheriting of seats and the widespread nominating of siblings to council seats is turning politics into a family business sat local level.

    it's something we should bear in mind when voting.

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    If you don't like nepotism .. use your vote appropriately.

    Democracy is messy and getting the vote out normally plays to the lowest common denominator. Just look at the amount of corrupt politicians that continue to be re-elected (Lowry etc)

    As previously mentions restricted terms of office and other limitations would help.

    But sure it can't be all bad, without nepotism we won't have great politicos like Sean Haughey, Michael Healy-Rae and .. I'll stop now.

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    This sort of nepotism happens because people have come to believe that politics and exercising political power is some sort of arcane art and that you have to be raised in it in order to get anything done. It's not.
    Dan Sullivan. I was back but we still couldn't all have a vote. http://www.danielsullivan.ie/blog/

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    Dynasty.... but without the hairspray, shoulder pads, and good looks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allthingspol View Post
    Why or how is it corruption? If the person does a good job then why not? Simon Coveney took over from his late father Hugh and is doing a fantastic job and he was democratically elected in a bye-election, I don't see the corruption there?

    Its corruption because when the main reason someone is elected/nominated its because of their surname and who their daddy was. FG in Cork South Central are a classic example of this nepotism in play with messrs Coveney & Clune. Politics and a career in it shoudn't be a family business, however in Ireland Dail seats are seen as almost a birthright to be passed on to junior along with the family business and numerous properties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juanpablo View Post
    Its corruption because when the main reason someone is elected/nominated its because of their surname and who their daddy was. FG in Cork South Central are a classic example of this nepotism in play with messrs Coveney & Clune. Politics and a career in it shoudn't be a family business, however in Ireland Dail seats are seen as almost a birthright to be passed on to junior along with the family business and numerous properties.
    There is absolutely nothing corrupt about someone getting more votes than someone else because he's someones son. It is the idiots that vote for the son because of who he is that are at fault - politicians can hardly be faulted for that. It is yet another example about how 'so-fisticated' the Irish electorate are (i.e. if you know that someone is related to someone else, or know who your father supported, then you are considered well versed in political matters and you show it by voting appropriately in the ballot booth).

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