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    Default Why is there no helipad at our only Level 1 Trauma Centre - CUH?

    Helicopters are all the rage these days, so here is another heli-tale to ponder.

    Fast transportation of injured casualties to medics is one of the tasks that helicopters are specially good at.

    The HSE (called by Dr John Crown the armed wing of the Department of Health) doesn't seem aware of helicopters. Maybe someone should tell them.

    Their principal trauma hospital in the south of the country - Cork University Hospital - does not have a helicopter landing pad.

    You know, the kind of thing the guy next door has in his garden? Upscale it a bit and you have an idea of all it takes to allow the Air Corps air ambulance pilots or the RAF or our outsourced marine Search and Rescue fliers to touch down.

    Providing one of those at a Level One Trauma Centre is beyond the capabilities of all seven veils of management in the HSE.

    If you have the misfortune to need air medevac to CUH here is the route: they pick you up, and fly to Cork Airport, five miles south of Cork city. There you are moved out of the chopper and into an Ambulance. Then you are driven down through the Kinsale Road roundabout and along a circuitous route via the Cork traffic, including the notorious Wilton roundabout, to the CUH, where you are finally decanted into the fine A&E Department. There you will get first class care. If you are still alive.

    On discharge, if you survive, you will be able to contemplate the acres of car parking spaces, and the site earmarked for construction of the Mary Harney Memorial Co-Located Private Capital Hospital.
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    There's no need to worry.

    It won't be long before Cork County Council decide to build the "biggest helipad in Ireland" (in the thickest Cork accent you can possibly imagine).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Factorem View Post
    There's no need to worry.

    It won't be long before Cork County Council decide to build the "biggest helipad in Ireland" (in the thickest Cork accent you can possibly imagine).

    Well, no.

    There were no plans four years ago, when they removed the landing pad, as the story below shows, and no sign of a move since.

    THERE are no plans to restore a helicopter landing pad at the country’s only level one trauma hospital despite claims yesterday that its absence could cost lives.Cork University Hospital (CUH) is the only centre in the country with all the medical specialities under one roof.

    Irish Examiner - 2005/08/27: No plans to restore helicopter pad to hospital sparks criticism

    Three years after that story hit the streets, this is the answer given by the HSE Hospital Network Manager to a 2008 PQ from Bernard Allen.

    http://www.hse.ie/eng/Access_to_Info...ies_at_CUH.pdf

    Extract:
    "Since the 2000 Strategy Plan was produced there have been a number of internal and external factors which have impacted upon plans for car parking and the location of a helipad on the CUH campus. In relation to parking, Cork City Council has indicated in recent years that there should be an increased emphasis on the provision of ‘park and ride’ and ‘park and walk’ facilities rather than the provision of all the required parking on site. The provision of multi-storey car parking on site would also have to be self financing in line with Department of Health and Children guidelines.

    In relation to helicopter landing facilities, the emphasis in the 2000 plan was on the landing of larger helicopters which would have required significant space / development. It was in this context that the site at the east (current Co Location site) of the hospital was identified. The focus in relation to helicopter landing facilities has moved toward the needs of smaller craft, and in this regard the HSE is currently reviewing the possibility of providing landing facilities for smaller craft at roof level, over and directly linked by lift to the Emergency Department."

    The etenders.ie website had an ad lately looking for a consultant to do up another one of those hospital strategy things for these lads. We never have seem to have enough strategy plans do we? It is like the football manager who is always two or three players short of a great team.
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    Where is Hawkeye when we need him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by He3 View Post
    Helicopters are all the rage these days, so here is another heli-tale to ponder.

    Fast transportation of injured casualties to medics is one of the tasks that helicopters are specially good at.

    The HSE (called by Dr John Crown the armed wing of the Department of Health) doesn't seem aware of helicopters. Maybe someone should tell them.

    Their principal trauma hospital in the south of the country - Cork University Hospital - does not have a helicopter landing pad.

    You know, the kind of thing the guy next door has in his garden? Upscale it a bit and you have an idea of all it takes to allow the Air Corps air ambulance pilots or the RAF or our outsourced marine Search and Rescue fliers to touch down.

    That is beyond the abilities of the seven veils of management in the HSE.

    If you have the misfortune to need air medevac to CUH here is the route: they pick you up, and fly to Cork Airport, five miles south of Cork city. There you are moved out of the chopper and into an Ambulance. Then you are driven down through the Kinsale Road roundabout and along a circuitous route via the Cork traffic, including the notorious Wilton roundabout, to the CUH, where you are finally decanted into the fine A&E Department. There you will get first class care. If you are still alive.

    On discharge, if you survive, you will be able to contemplate the acres of car parking spaces, and the site earmarked for construction of the Mary Harney Memorial Co-Located Private Capital Hospital.
    Considering the fact that there aren't enough beds for patients, a helipad seems a tad over-the-top.

    You should lobby Martin Cullen. He's mad for helicopters.

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    Er, helicopters don't need beds. They are quite content with a few square metres on a carpark.
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    Quote Originally Posted by draiocht23 View Post
    You should lobby Martin Cullen. He's mad for helicopters.
    Speaking of Martin Cullen and helicopters, is there a heli pad at Waterford Regional?
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    Quote Originally Posted by He3 View Post
    Speaking of Martin Cullen and helicopters, is there a heli pad at Waterford Regional?
    Is that the psychiatric facility or the physical health facility you're talking about?
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    Well either, but the physical trauma side is more likely to be the destination of a medivac I suppose?
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    The current situation appears utterly silly from a lay persons point of view.
    You rightly point out that the helicopters donīt need much more than a few metres of carpark to land.
    The vast majority of the pilots are either serving military personnel or highly skilled ex military. These guys can land a helicopter on a fag box. (Without crushing it)
    What absolute disregard for accident victims etc. that they are subject to running the gauntlet of Cork suburban traffic for minimum 10 minutes after landing in the real capital.
    I know that the govt is trying to boost business for the airport after saddling it with a €200,000,000 debt recently. But this is ridiculous.
    Move the carpark to the airport, how about that. Patients first!!

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