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    Default Women turned on by monkey sex - do we need to rethink social assumptions?

    A lot of the current legal, rights based social assumptions have men & women as the same

    Our cultural assumptions largely have women as less interested in sex than men

    It seems reality is quite different, in the below referenced experiment the researchers showed to:

    • lesbians
    • straight women,
    • straight men
    • gay men

    these films:

    • bonobo pornography (see pic below)
    • straight porn
    • gay porn
    • lesbian porn
    • a chiselled man walking naked on a beach
    • and a well-toned woman doing callisthenics in the nude

    The women got aroused by everything ... though when asked about it they downplayed it !

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    Any expectation that the footage of animal sex would speak to something primitive in the men seemed mistaken; neither straight nor gay men were stirred by watching the bonobos. And for the male participants, the subjective ratings on the keypad matched the readings of the plethysmograph. The men’s minds and genitals were in agreement.
    All was different with the women. No matter what their self-proclaimed sexual orientation, the women showed, on the whole, strong and swift genital arousal when the screen offered men with men, women with women, and women with men. They responded objectively much more to the exercising woman than to the strolling man, and their blood flow rose quickly and markedly as they watched the apes, though to a lesser degree than during all the human scenes, except the footage of the ambling, strapping man. And with the women, especially the straight women, mind and genitals seemed scarcely to belong to the same person. During shots of lesbian coupling, heterosexual women claimed less excitement than their vaginas indicated; watching gay men, they reported a great deal less; and viewing heterosexual intercourse, they reported much more



    Is it time for a big re-think of the gender divide ?

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    You could have spared us the monkey porn.

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    Okay, I read the article. It simply states that the female body automatically activates in order to protect itself - thus in watching scenes that hint at sexual activity (of whatever type) the genitalia are made ready for the same. It is NOT an indicator of sexual desire. It is observed even in cases of rape. It is not evidence that women enjoy rape, or watching monkey-sex, or whatever. It just means that their physiological reaction is separate from their mental reaction, unlike in men.

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    so that's the reason the wife was so keen to go on safari last year.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by toxic avenger View Post
    Okay, I read the article. It simply states that the female body automatically activates in order to protect itself - thus in watching scenes that hint at sexual activity (of whatever type) the genitalia are made ready for the same. It is NOT an indicator of sexual desire. It is observed even in cases of rape. It is not evidence that women enjoy rape, or watching monkey-sex, or whatever. It just means that their physiological reaction is separate from their mental reaction, unlike in men.
    She only says that the lubrication/arousal may be a protection mechanism :

    Genital lubrication, she writes in her forthcoming paper in Archives of Sexual Behavior, is necessary “to reduce discomfort, and the possibility of injury, during vaginal penetration… Ancestral women who did not show an automatic vaginal response to sexual cues may have been more likely to experience injuries during unwanted vaginal penetration that resulted in illness, infertility or even death, and thus would be less likely to have passed on this trait to their offspring”.
    It is far from clear that this is the reason women are aroused by gay sex or monkey sex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EarlyBird View Post
    You could have spared us the monkey porn.
    I take it you are not a women then ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberianpan View Post
    She only says that the lubrication/arousal may be a protection mechanism :



    It is far from clear that this is the reason women are aroused by gay sex or monkey sex.

    cYp

    There is physical arousal, but not mental arousal, the two seem to be separate mechanisms. It seems to suggest that sexual activity per se prompts physical changes but doesn't mean they are 'turned on' mentally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toxic avenger View Post
    There is physical arousal, but not mental arousal, the two seem to be separate mechanisms. It seems to suggest that sexual activity per se prompts physical changes but doesn't mean they are 'turned on' mentally.
    Indeed - being aroused "down there" doesn't imply consent or mental arousal ... but:

    Well in the rest of the article it speaks of the fluidity/reversibility of female sexuality straight-->lesbian-->straight. Whereas men are more fixed in their sexuality.

    And some of the supposition here is that women are exercising more conscious choice over their sexual preferences ... or that their preferences are more situational.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberianpan View Post
    A lot of the current legal, rights based social assumptions have men & women as the same

    Our cultural assumptions largely have women as less interested in sex than men

    It seems reality is quite different, in the below referenced experiment the researchers showed to:

    • lesbians
    • straight women,
    • straight men
    • gay men

    these films:

    • bonobo pornography (see pic below)
    • straight porn
    • gay porn
    • lesbian porn
    • a chiselled man walking naked on a beach
    • and a well-toned woman doing callisthenics in the nude

    The women got aroused by everything ... though when asked about it they downplayed it !




    Is it time for a big re-think of the gender divide ?

    cYp

    There is a simple explanation: Women are more inclined to lie than men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toxic avenger View Post
    Okay, I read the article. It simply states that the female body automatically activates in order to protect itself - thus in watching scenes that hint at sexual activity (of whatever type) the genitalia are made ready for the same. It is NOT an indicator of sexual desire. It is observed even in cases of rape. It is not evidence that women enjoy rape, or watching monkey-sex, or whatever. It just means that their physiological reaction is separate from their mental reaction, unlike in men.
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