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    I was watching the new season of 24 last night and there's a "new era" showdown between Jack Bauer and the US Senate on torture.

    I'm wondering is torture acceptable ?

    For the convenience of this debate we'll assume

    1) that torture works (unclear)
    2) that it is against a convicted terrorist
    3) that a grand jury has accepted that the terrorist knows a lot more
    4) that the torture say involves ripping off finger/nails

    I'm not heavily convinced either way, though I'd pity the torturer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberianpan View Post
    For the convenience of this debate we'll assume

    1) that torture works (unclear)
    Torture doesn't work to gain information. Its only used as a form of terrorism to break the will of a population. Thats why those who do it always make sure that everyone knows its happening. There's no such thing as really secret torture chambers because the whole point is that people know what can happen to them if they oppose the state.

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    Torture is barbaric.

    We try not to be barbaric.

    No one says it is easy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by He3 View Post
    Torture is barbaric.

    We try not to be barbaric.

    No one says it is easy.
    Mmmmmm but if others are being barbaric ... and they're fully signed up card-carrying barbarians (as per example above) - then they've abrogated their rights and it is incumbent upon us to prevent more barbarianism ?

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    Funny you should bring this up, I started watching a clip on the very same topic earlier: Christopher Hitchens Debates Bill O'Reilly Over Torture (VIDEO)

    haven't finished watching it yet (i got interrupted)

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberianpan View Post
    Mmmmmm but if others are being barbaric ... and they're fully signed up card-carrying barbarians (as per example above) - then they've abrogated their rights and it is incumbent upon us to prevent more barbarianism ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberianpan View Post
    Mmmmmm but if others are being barbaric ... and they're fully signed up card-carrying barbarians (as per example above) - then they've abrogated their rights and it is incumbent upon us to prevent more barbarianism ?

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    Goes onto very thin ice there though with regards to the Geneva convention!! one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter!!

    Torture is wrong! it should not not be carried out under any circumstances! torture, whether, at the behest of government and state authorities is itself, the very same barbarism you speak of!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberianpan View Post
    Mmmmmm but if others are being barbaric ... and they're fully signed up card-carrying barbarians (as per example above) - then they've abrogated their rights and it is incumbent upon us to prevent more barbarianism ?
    Would you advocate becoming barbaric in order to combat barbarism?
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    l did not note tags and assume that you are reffering to the t.v programme, l think it weird to entertain at such a level - the equivalent of a medieval mystery play in terms of propaganda dissemination. l recommend a g2 interview with lyndie england to look at the psyche of one of the abu ghraib survivors, it was published in the new year...

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