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    Default UK: 71% 'still oppose euro'

    BBC NEWS | UK | Most Britons 'still oppose euro'

    The Brits 'still' oppose the euro (interesting choice of words by BBC).

    Business Secretary Lord Mandelson said that while joining was still the government's long-term policy aim, such a move was "not for now".

    Meanwhile, the shadow foreign secretary reportedly told the Daily Mail newspaper that the Tories under David Cameron "would never join the euro".
    Its partly 'not for now' because they wouldn't have a hope of getting in without major structural reforms.

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    Perhaps the great unwashed still do, but there definitely seems to be a shift of emphasis amongst the intelligentsia. The old Little Englander nationalistic dismissals of the Euro seem to be fading away, and a new focus in the economic benefits and costs is being made.

    I was interested to see the following article in today's London Times, written by Oliver Kamm who is a leader writer for that paper. It's his own personal opinion, but it's noteworthy that such support is now being allowed to be printed in a newspaper that heretofore was very anti-Euro.

    The market has spoken: long live the euro | Oliver Kamm - Times Online

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    I think it's very easy for us to underestimate the depth and viscerality of the English attachment to sterling.
    Never let the best be the enemy of the good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ibis View Post
    I think it's very easy for us to underestimate the depth and viscerality of the English attachment to sterling.
    Undoubtedly, but I wonder how deep will it remain if it becomes clear that the attachment is impoverishing the nation

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    If Euro/Sterling are close to parity in the summner when people are taking their holidays, then the public mood might change towards being in favour. Especially if Britain locks the Sterling in at a favourable change-over rate, but that could happen any time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thac0man View Post
    If Euro/Sterling are close to parity in the summner when people are taking their holidays, then the public mood might change towards being in favour. Especially if Britain locks the Sterling in at a favourable change-over rate, but that could happen any time.
    They wont be able to fix the rate - that costs money and the UK has almost no reserves. Denmark spent 3%/GDP in reserves in October along trying to keep the Krona/ euro rate stable. The UK has less than 2% reserves in total.

    A Sterling/Euro peg won't happen soon, and neither will the UK adopt the euro anytime in the next decade. They can't afford it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by borntorum View Post
    Perhaps the great unwashed still do, but there definitely seems to be a shift of emphasis amongst the intelligentsia. The old Little Englander nationalistic dismissals of the Euro seem to be fading away, and a new focus in the economic benefits and costs is being made.

    I was interested to see the following article in today's London Times, written by Oliver Kamm who is a leader writer for that paper. It's his own personal opinion, but it's noteworthy that such support is now being allowed to be printed in a newspaper that heretofore was very anti-Euro.

    The market has spoken: long live the euro | Oliver Kamm - Times Online
    As opposed to the general ignorance of the Irish public (due to our dreadful media) who believe the EU is a cross between Santa Claus and Mother Teresa and is responsible for everything good and noble in the world. Merkel, Sarkozy and Berlusconi are indeed a progressive group for us all to follow! I don't think the Irish are in any position to mock the little englanders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thac0man View Post
    If Euro/Sterling are close to parity in the summner when people are taking their holidays, then the public mood might change towards being in favour. Especially if Britain locks the Sterling in at a favourable change-over rate, but that could happen any time.
    In the flip side, I'm sure many Europeans will consider visiting Britain more for trips/weekends etc. Many in the public/business sector will see this as a counterbalance. One year without going foreign is not the end of the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Bobo View Post
    As opposed to the general ignorance of the Irish public (due to our dreadful media) who believe the EU is a cross between Santa Claus and Mother Teresa and is responsible for everything good and noble in the world.
    And that's why we voted Yes to Lisbon. Wait a minute...

    So you've resolved to maintain your posting standards as at the same high level of 2008 then, have you Bobo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by borntorum View Post
    And that's why we voted Yes to Lisbon. Wait a minute...

    So you've resolved to maintain your posting standards as at the same high level of 2008 then, have you Bobo?
    Lisbon wasn't a treaty on whether Irish people believed the EU was a positive thing or not even if the ruling class wanted us to vote based on that. Compared with most member states, the Irish people give almost uncritical support to the Brussels bureacracy

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