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    Should we introduce civil partnership, gay marriage or just not bring it in.

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    A return to the pre-1545 Council of Trent position whereby marraige is purely an ecclesiastical affair and has nothing to do with the civil authorities.

    Parents of children would still receive tax exemptions but why should two people (regardless of gender) receive tax benefits purely because they're in a relationship with each other.
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    Just wondering what people think? I think that civil partnership is an insult to gay rights, they should get the same rights as all of us. Even if they are all given the same rights but calling it something else is nothing but discrimination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Munion View Post
    A return to the pre-1545 Council of Trent position whereby marraige is purely an ecclesiastical affair and has nothing to do with the civil authorities.

    Parents of children would still receive tax exemptions but why should two people (regardless of gender) receive tax benefits purely because they're in a relationship with each other.
    Yes then therefore should we eliminate all exemptions given to married couples?. It is not as such that gay people just want the same rights but also to be under the same classification they should be allowed to lawfully be married and recognised as a married couple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom Fighter View Post
    Even if they are all given the same rights but calling it something else is nothing but discrimination.
    And that gem, in a nutshell, is a great example of why the far left receive little or no support when it comes to elections.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom Fighter View Post
    Just wondering what people think? I think that civil partnership is an insult to gay rights, they should get the same rights as all of us. Even if they are all given the same rights but calling it something else is nothing but discrimination.
    You can't force every religion in the World to change their rules on marriage just to accomadate a section of the population.
    It will open the door for bigamous, incestuos, and all sorts of people looking for same. No Priest, Iman or Rabbi will take this route.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom Fighter View Post
    Just wondering what people think? I think that civil partnership is an insult to gay rights, they should get the same rights as all of us. Even if they are all given the same rights but calling it something else is nothing but discrimination.
    Unless you can explain at a practical level the difference between the unpublished Civil Partnership bill and marriage as currently exists, your help will not be required. (There is nothing wrong wth discrimination per se, it is only when that discrimination results in injustice that it becomes a problem).

    However, gay-rights activists who are straight and gay-activists who are gay and single, do help make some NOISE which scare the right wing conservative horses, so that when the Bill is published that it goes the same way as England ie marriage in all but name and without constitutional recognition (not even Peter Thatcell could object to it), the Government appears to have taken a compromise route which results in the removal on the current injustices which exist for gay couples (eg inheritance, maintence, property, access to hospital, funeral arrangements, citizenship etc).

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    The state should only have civil partnerships. If you want to get married go to a Church.

    Civil marriage depends on a consensus view of what marriage is. We don't have that now and are less likely to have it in the future. So let's plan for diversity.

    Why should a legal undertaking and a sacrament share a name anyway. Equality of citizenship should not conflict with the right of people to hold to their own view of marriage.

    So for example a Muslim can have as many wives as his faith permits but only one civil partner. And a gay couple under the law will be identical to a male-female couple.

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    yes but surely calling it by another name is in itself discrimination as you are not giving them the same classification. Is it not an injustice that the government is too conservative to call them married. Seriously what is wrong with calling a same sex couple married.

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