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    Default Michael Collins: An Irish hero?

    In my opinion he most be the most over-rated and over-exaggerated figure in Irish history. During the so called War of Independence he led a small but effective counter-intelligence unit, assassins if you will. He adapted well to the urban guerillia war which was the only way possible to defeat superior military forces.

    However he was wined and dined by the British elites, fell for their mind games and tricked by Lloyd George's rhetoric. While he clearly should have not been sent to negociate the treaty as he had neither the intellect nor the political experience, he still came back with the worst possible deal that could only lead to bitter civil war and partition. No treaty would have been better.

    As soon as it became obvious that the majority of the people who fought against the tans and British army would not stand for it, the treaty should have been ripped up. Better to fight the imperialists than have brothers turn against eachother. Collins was utterly clueless in the time between the treaty being signed and the beggining of the civil war. He misjudged the revolutionary spirit of the IRA thinking they would accept such a blatant sell out because it was a "stepping stone". It's a pity he didn't have his brains blown out the minute he got back from England. The whole purpose of independence was so that the Irish people would have a better quality of life without British imperialism. The free state accepted British imperialism by continuing to pay British landlords rents for land we owned ourselves. The free state was no better economically for Irish people as it did nothing but replace British oppression with Irish oppression. Maybe they painted the post boxes green but they did nothing that would improve life for Irish people. In fact Ireland was worse off economically in 1930 than 1900.

    And what did the treaty bring to Ireland? Nothing but poverty, the abandonment of our brothers in the north, civil war, executions, totalitarian government from people like Kevin O'Higgins, the continued dominance of the catholic church over our lives, oppression of women etc

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    You dont have a clue about Irish history. Anyone who thinks the civil war was over the treaty, is a complete idiot. You should ashamed that you dont know you countries history.

    Kevin O'Higgins was a hero.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Collective.
    You dont have a clue about Irish history. Anyone who thinks the civil war was over the treaty, is a complete idiot. You should ashamed that you dont know you countries history.

    Kevin O'Higgins was a hero.
    No one deserved a bullet more than O'Higgins. He was a thug and a murderer who ordered death of political prisoners and innocent men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harpo
    Quote Originally Posted by The Collective.
    You dont have a clue about Irish history. Anyone who thinks the civil war was over the treaty, is a complete idiot. You should ashamed that you dont know you countries history.

    Kevin O'Higgins was a hero.
    No one deserved a bullet more than O'Higgins. He was a thug and a murderer who ordered death of political prisoners and innocent men.
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    The Dail voted for the treaty.

    The people voted for the treaty in a referendum.

    The end.

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    Schools finish early today?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeilW
    Schools finish early today?
    I don't think Harpo is in school. I think he finished when he was 14 and now sits at home spouting rubbish to give his sad life meaning. The fact that a question mark is before the nam of the Big Fella is proof positive of his stupidity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meriwether
    The Dail voted for the treaty.

    The people voted for the treaty in a referendum.

    The end.
    I bet you support re-running the Lisbon treaty

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harpo
    the majority of the people who fought against the tans and British army would not stand for it,
    Not true. The IRA was split 50/50 over the treaty. Ireland overall was 2/1 in favour.
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