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    The article below is by Sam Smyth in Monday 23rd June's Indo.
    One thing has me thinking: the article has a lot of similarities, to the contents, posted on P.ie

    Coincidence, are we all thinking alike.....or what?

    By Sam Smyth
    Monday June 23 2008

    THE mood among Fine Gael lifers is somewhere between muffled desperation and quiet resignation.
    Another drop in another opinion poll and further speculation about the leadership offers no hope to supporters. And, more ominously, it gives succour to their enemies.
    A three-point drop to 25pc, the fourth decline in support in as many months in yesterday's "Sunday Business Post", confirmed their decline in "The Irish Times" poll ten days ago.
    Nor is there a white knight waiting in the wings to lead the party out of Opposition and into Government Buildings. And, to add to their despair, there is no realistic prospect of Enda Kenny and Fine Gael triumphing at next year's mid-term test for the government.
    Fine Gael insiders acknowledge they will have difficulty retaining their five seats in the European Parliament. And because Fianna Fail did so badly in the last local elections, Fine Gael cannot expect to show them up in next year's.
    Most political parties would take a long hard look at a leader who offered them no serious hope of achieving office. But there is no mood for a change even among the gloomiest Fine Gaelers.
    Five leaders in 15 years only added suspicion and rancour to disappointment, according to one veteran, who added: "And no one is convinced that any candidate on offer would do any better than Enda."
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    And that will further depress party supporters who will see that fatalism as defeatism and only add to the perception of Fianna Fail as the natural leader of future Irish governments.
    It is also bad news for a robust democracy where a vibrant Opposition should offer an alternative to an incompetent and tired government in its third term.
    Yet Fianna Fail retains its 40pc standing in yesterday's poll, confirmation that the electorate will not punish the Government for losing the 'Yes' argument on the Lisbon Treaty.
    The slogan on the wall of Bill Clinton's campaign headquarters in 1992 -- It's the economy, stupid-- will dominate public debate for the next couple of years.
    And as the economy nosedives, unemployment soars, public services are cut and taxes are increased, it will offer an opportunity for the Opposition to show leadership.
    Yet Enda Kenny has never appeared comfortable or even competent dealing with economic issues
    According to one senior party figure, the polls will get worse and morale in the party will get lower in the months to come.
    It is the second largest political organisation in the State and its leader the only possible successor as taoiseach, yet they offer no credible threat to the Government or Brian Cowen.
    This lack of ambition in Fine Gael suggests their own party's well being is more important to them than the public interest. And the public interest demands that Fine Gael provide a competent Opposition.
    What, the electorate will ask, is Fine Gael for and why is it not currently a realistic contender to lead the next government?

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    Until FG stops collaborating with FF via the cosy-consensus on issues like the EU and immigration, it will remain a party not worth voting for, as it's just FF-lite on most issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FutureTaoiseach
    Until FG stops collaborating with FF via the cosy-consensus on issues like the EU and immigration, it will remain a party not worth voting for, as it's just FF-lite on most issues.
    Immigration is critical .

    If FG attacked this problem ,particularly the issue of illegals and the illegal IBC scheme they would sweep into office.
    If they leave this overarching issue fester much longer another movement will emerge to tackle this nightmare and then it will be curtains for FG and for Labour.

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    I didnt even read this. I dont get political advice from a tabloid.
    "Are you telling me that a computer, a robot and my wife would create a "natuarlly balanced" society? The consequences are too monstrous to contemplate.."
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    Quote Originally Posted by jetttxyz
    The article below is by Sam Smyth in Monday 23rd June's Indo.
    One thing has me thinking: the article has a lot of similarities, to the contents, posted on P.ie

    Coincidence, are we all thinking alike.....or what?

    By Sam Smyth
    Monday June 23 2008


    Nor is there a white knight waiting in the wings to lead the party out of Opposition and into Government Buildings. And, to add to their despair, there is no realistic prospect of Enda Kenny and Fine Gael triumphing at next year's mid-term test for the government.
    Fine Gael insiders acknowledge they will have difficulty retaining their five seats in the European Parliament. And because Fianna Fail did so badly in the last local elections, Fine Gael cannot expect to show them up in next year's.
    I had read this on Monday and I love this particular piece where he tells us that FG "difficulty retaining their five seats", didn't people tell us that we were going to struggle mightily to hold our four seats last time? I thought that someone should really take Sam aside and explain the political lie of the land to him as it will roll out over the next 12 months. FF will be presiding over the worst budgetary situation that most people voting will be able to remember, they will (it would seem from the mood music right now) try to rerun the Lisbon Treaty in advance of those local and European elections after people had voted to reject it, and in circumstances where we will be told by the FF minister for Finance that cutbacks in the previous budget were necessary because the EU won't allow us to have more than a 3% deficit all the while people struggle with interest rates set by the ECB which will be most likely higher than now. And yet Sam thinks it is FG that will struggle?

    I'm not taking the support FG will get for granted for one minute but it is FF that will be all kinds of trouble over the next 12 months. If you thought the FF logo was small on posters in 2004, it will be microscopic next year.
    Dan Sullivan. I was back but we still couldn't all have a vote. http://www.danielsullivan.ie/blog/

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    FF will be presiding over the worst budgetary situation that most people voting will be able to remember, they will (it would seem from the mood music right now) try to rerun the Lisbon Treaty in advance of those local and European elections after people had voted to reject it, and in circumstances where we will be told by the FF minister for Finance that cutbacks in the previous budget were necessary because the EU won't allow us to have more than a 3% deficit all the while people struggle with interest rates set by the ECB which will be most likely higher than now. And yet Sam thinks it is FG that will struggle?
    How can you expect to profit from the Lisbon rerun if your party is going to stand by Fianna Fáil a second time? It just makes you look just as out of touch as they are.

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    paddy power has FG/Labour as favourite to form the next goverment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peader odonnell
    paddy power has FG/Labour as favourite to form the next goverment.
    Yes just like they had the yes side 5-1 to win on June 12th.

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    very true ,fancy the return of this goverment at 13-2?

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    This is the ‘award winning journalist’ Sam Smyth who first broke the story on Lowry. However a number of years later in a TV interview, when he was asked if he had known then of the knock on effect the Lowry story was to have on the fortunes of Charles Haughey would he have gone ahead with it. He said he would not as he was 'very fond of Charles Haughey'. So its absolutely clear where Smyth’s loyalties lie, and there is no doubt but he will continue to scrape the bottom of any barrel he can find to have a go at FG.

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