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Thread: Will John Gormley survive the Haulbowline Scandal?

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    Default Will John Gormley survive the Haulbowline Scandal?

    A sub-contractor was reportedley ordered by the Government to seal a number of "lagoons" containing huge amounts of toxic by-products rather than removing the material for disposal. He also accused the department of the Environment of a cover-up to conceal the health risks that the waste poses.

    Presumably Gormless is too busy saving the planet form "Co2" and pushing the Green "program for government" instead of dealing with reality and the environment.

    Todays Examiner claims that the waste originating from the old Irish Ispat steel plant on the island contains the highly toxic chemical Chromium 6.

    Nice one this, Hexavalent Chromium (Cr(VI)), causes cancer and is the same material against which US activist and (rememeber the movie?) Erin Brockovich campaigned.

    The Dept. of the Environment, the EPA and Cork County Council are being accused of trying to cover up the amount of hazardous waste buried at the site

    Will Gormless get the sack or should he get the sack over this scandal?

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    Default Re: Will John Gormley survive the Haulbowline Scandal?

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    Irish ministers only resign over getting their house painted or issues like that. Rarely over something to do with their department. In Britain, if something like that happened, a minister might be compelled to go. But then again, they have a tradition of integrity in public office and we do not.
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    Default Re: Will John Gormley survive the Haulbowline Scandal?

    Quote Originally Posted by carguy
    A sub-contractor was reportedley ordered by the Government to seal a number of "lagoons" containing huge amounts of toxic by-products rather than removing the material for disposal. He also accused the department of the Environment of a cover-up to conceal the health risks that the waste poses.
    Everybody knows Haulbowline is a toxic nightmare. Where's the cover-up?
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    Was listening to Gormley on news at 1. His version of the story is that the contractors were only making matters worse in the course of their work and were requested to stop. He indicated that there is legal action of a contractual nature pending between the Department of Environment and the Contractors and this story, planted by the contractors, is a means of attempting to strong arm the Department into settling. He indicated that there is two offiials perminantly on site and that it is, presently, safe and that a Cabintet decision will have to be taken on what do do now with the site, due to the prohibitive cost of rectifying the situation. There are two sides to this one methinks!!
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    Default Re: Will John Gormley survive the Haulbowline Scandal?

    That heap of shite has been building up since the place opened so the blame, just like every other problem it seems, lies with successive governments (yawn). But department officials and county council officials that are in there jobs today probably didnt peep when it was being dumped.
    As long as you employed a few people in the 70's and 80's no-one asked questions.
    I have seen people collecting shellfish on haulbowline island less than 200 yards from the heap.
    I dread to think what has been dumped in the harbour in the last 30 years.
    It is a beautiful natural resource but hardly a hotel exists on its shore.

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    The Irish Green Party: Saving the environment by building Europe's first gas production pipeline through blanket bog landscape. Saving the environment by forcing a motorway through a world heritage site. Saving the environment by installing an incinerator in a built up up inner city area. Saving the environment by buying carbon credits and blaming the individual consumer for climate change.

    Resign? They'll probably put him up for the presidency...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heligoland
    The Irish Green Party: Saving the environment by building Europe's first gas production pipeline through blanket bog landscape. Saving the environment by forcing a motorway through a world heritage site. Saving the environment by installing an incinerator in a built up up inner city area. Saving the environment by buying carbon credits and blaming the individual consumer for climate change.

    Resign? They'll probably put him up for the presidency...
    Haha - that Green Party are a bunch of feckers eh? Did they really do all those things - imagine that? Funny how all those things were well underway before the Greens got into the government. But hey, have a go at them for being the ones to close the stable door after the horse has bolted - never mind it wasn't them who left it hanging open for however long beforehand...

    Sure Haulbowline needs to be tackled, but it's more productive to look at the facts rather than go "there's something bad in the environment, lets blame the greens". Fair dues to them for stepping in to tackle decades of mismanagement. Not an enviable position thanks to idiots taking pot shots at them (even from within their own ranks)

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    If carguy wasn't so intent on peddling WingNut lies he would have noticed the obvious spin in that article (which he didn't link to for obvious reasons).

    Read the article, notice the bias, and focus on the fact that the sub-contractor was undertaking unauthorised work, involving the disturbance materials containing Chromium VI, and he was billing the taxpayer (you and I) stupid amounts of money for doing so.

    It is obvious that he is none to happy about losing this taxpayer funded gravy train, and even more unhappy at the prospect of being sued for the damage he has caused already.

    Read the article, look at the language used, and figure out for yourself who spun this story, and why.

    Toxic waste cover-up - Firm told to leave 500,000 tonnes of material on site

    “In relation to the recent issues regarding sub-contractors on the site, the department, acting on best expert advice of the EPA, ordered the unauthorised work to stop, as there were serious concerns that the work being carried out in such a piecemeal fashion posed a significant environmental risk,” (Minister Gormley) said.
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