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    Apparently, the Taoiseach has said that the government can't create
    prosperity on its own, but it can destroy it (and they never stop thinking about ways to do that) and that their record in government was better, and their plans for the future are real and costed. Yep, costed. They cost them.... on the back of envelopes or if stuck .... pluck them out of the air. And they're real!

    And he wants to build a 'brave' society, cue comments about the rest of us being scared.

    And I like that he said unity by consent was Fianna Fáil's mission, the basis of its being and a guiding star, and that no issue mattered more to him, because he is an Irish Republican. And apparently, he is an Irish Republican along with being a Socialist.

    The IRSP and INLA are unavailable for comment at this time. God, I remember well all Dev's speeches about unity by consent in the 1920s and 1930s.

    His vision of the future was of community, unity and prosperity. Or in other words a Cup!
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKane
    God, I remember well all Dev's speeches about unity by consent in the 1920s and 1930s.
    What age are you man??

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    What's happening to the once-semi-intelligent blueshirts on thi site? Firstly jjcarroll says tht FG don't need to provide any counter polciies to the government when they criticise them, and now kingkane comes out with this gobbledegook. Have you ll been infected with the Chief/BarryW disease? The election is years away yet, you'll be all spent if you stay like this

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJH
    What's happening to the once-semi-intelligent blueshirts on thi site? Firstly jjcarroll says tht FG don't need to provide any counter polciies to the government when they criticise them, and now kingkane comes out with this gobbledegook. Have you ll been infected with the Chief/BarryW disease? The election is years away yet, you'll be all spent if you stay like this
    You can read it here too.

    http://www.rte.ie/aertel/p113.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKane
    You can read it here too.

    http://www.rte.ie/aertel/p113.htm
    I presume you read it too if you are motivaited enough to start a thread on it. Is there anything in the speech you would care to take issue with?

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    Clearly the usual bullshit we hear from Bertie and FF. He has had plenty of time to do all these things that he promises and he hasn't. I see no reason to believe him this time.
    "Give us the future, we've had enough of YOUR past, Give us back our country, to live in, to grow in and to love..."

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    What I could get from the FF site

    I presume it's ok to post it as it would not be copyrighted....or would it?


    16:30 Today
    EXTRACTS FROM TAOISEACH'S ADDRESS TO FF PARLIAMENTARY PARTY

    Ireland is a country enjoying extraordinary success and undergoing extraordinary change. As a political party, we can justly take pride in the hard work and the hard-won gains of the Irish people.

    They are the reason for the progress we have made. But each new advance brings new challenges – challenges that are testing the strength of hard working families and communities.

    KK, hardworking families, eh! The focus groups have reported in I see.


    Now is the time - not to rest on our success but to build on it. It is not enough to be prosperous, although we must never endanger that prosperity. The great work ahead cannot be completed if we do not sustain the once seemingly impossible goal of economic strength and stability. We cannot meet the challenges of this decade if we return to the bad old days of the 1980s.

    KK, we were brought to the bad old days of the 1980s by way of the risk FF took with the economy in the 1970s ***** And it is true that economic strength and stability did once seem impossible goal after FF had bankrupted the country!


    Why does Ireland today enjoy the second lowest national debt, the second highest minimum wage, the biggest spend on infrastructure and the fastest growth in spending on health in Europe, and the most generous tax and welfare system in the world for single-income families on the average minimum wage?

    KK, and here we have the crux of FF inability to manage public spending because it’s all never mind the quality, feel the width. Look at how much we are spending and how fast it is growing! Never mind how much it costs per mile or how long it takes. And those on the minimum wage pay tax and are over the limit for basic subsided health care. Is that the case in the rest of the world too?

    KK, As for why do we now have such a low national debt because the Irish people worked hard and tightened our belts, while the leader of FF was buying new shirts instead of wearing them twice? Because we still pay more tax than the government lets on. Because the government wouldn’t even consider borrowing for capital projects or even revenue producing ones! Because Alan Dukes took the tough decision not to oppose for opposition’s sake, something Bertie **** claims the opposition wouldn’t do. Yet what did FF do in the 1980s as regards tough decisions? They sniped from the benches, told the people that health cuts hurt the sick, the elderly and the handicapped yet when in government implemented much more savage cuts and sent their foreign affairs spokesperson to speak at the UN against the Anglo-Irish Agreement.

    KK, That’s tough decision making for ya!

    No party manifesto by itself could ever make all of that happen. The driving force is the productivity, the enterprise and the hard work of the Irish people – and a Government that works with them and for them.



    The Irish people can be proud of these historic achievements. And they happened by choice, not by chance.



    Our sound public finances offer real opportunities to move Ireland ahead, to meet the new challenges that come with prosperity, to lift our quality of life as well as our standard of living.



    These are opportunities we can seize. But these too are opportunities that can be squandered. Ireland stands at a crossroads.


    By itself, Government cannot create prosperity but Government can destroy it.

    KK, Yep, and in 1977 FF did exactly that. FF are like economic alcoholics who can’t admit that they ever did a thing wrong. And as AA will tell you, you’re not on the road to recovery unless you can own up to your mistakes and failings.

    We saw this happen in the 1980s – the Irish economy was the weakest in Europe and Irish people were unemployed, underemployed and too often unable to live in their own country.


    Ireland cannot afford a future of uncosted pledges and empty promises. And that is what we get from the Opposition.


    • They call for a reduction in spending and waste but refuse to explain which programmes they would cut in government.

    KK, Perhaps, the opposition will start with the ones with the most waste!

    • They always attack and rarely say anything positive, refusing to publish policies, which are accompanied by detailed costings.



    • Their irresponsible economic policies would threaten hard-won progress on job creation, tax reduction and economic growth.



    **** • On vital social issues like health and education they would refuse to take the tough decisions required for needed investment and reform.



    We cannot go back to the past – to mass unemployment and emigration, young people learning less, their parents earning less, the past the people have worked so hard to leave behind.


    ***** Fianna Fáil will never take risks with the economy. The Government will never put at risk the prosperity that the Irish people are building.



    Our strong economy is the beginning and not the end of our ambitions. It is the base from which we can build the brave society we aspire to create. At the heart of that brave society is an ideal central to the country we live in and the culture we come from. For Ireland, community is the thread that holds together the fabric of our society and our future.

    KK, we’d want to be brave to walk down some of our streets. Community is the thing that has been most undermined by this government.

    No matter what the economic statistics show, we will be poorer as a country if we ever lose the vibrant sense of community that is the force of everyday Irish life. Our policies in government should and will be directed to encouraging an Ireland where communities come together.




    The Ireland we will continue to build is a country where decent, hardworking people reap a just reward from a more prosperous society; a country where every child’s potential will be realised and lives will be fulfilled; a country where our environment is treasured and where every talent is nurtured. But none of this will happen in isolation.



    Our policies must and will promote a deeper involvement of people everywhere in Ireland in every aspect of community life and voluntary activity.



    But prosperity alone can leave us impoverished in other ways. On the foundation of a hard-won prosperity, we can and will meet the new challenges of the new Ireland; to achieve the brave society we deserve. An Ireland that values community as well as economic growth. An Ireland that gives people not only the chance for a better job, but the chance for a better life.

    Of course, we cannot do this without a strong economy. The wrong policies will jeopardize our nation’s growth, risk our stability and push us back into high unemployment.


    Working hard to create and sustain prosperity is for a purpose.


    It is for the biggest investment and most radical reform of our health service in the history of the State.


    Cancer care – to name just one area – will be transformed. The increased availability of new treatments is significantly increasing survival rates. Our aim is to ensure that every patient, in every part of Ireland, will have a world class service regardless of where they live.


    Childcare continues to be key priority of this party and this Government. That is why child benefit has been increased by more than eight times the rate of inflation. Our debate on this issue here in Cavan will inform our policies as we meet the rising demand for quality childcare in communities all across the country.



    Schools are being modernized, with more teachers in more classrooms – and the needs of students with special needs are being prioritised.


    Our senior citizens deserve their share, too. Our prosperity means that we have been able to increase pensions ahead of prices and earnings.

    KK, while take it back off those in our care…..

    The pensioners of tomorrow are another priority. With the National Pension Reserve Fund our wealth today is being invested to protect our long-term future.

    KK, while the promotion of the PRSA’s has been a failure.

    As our population grows, improved infrastructure – especially housing and transport has become an urgent national priority.

    KK, they have only just become an urgent national priority? What was it while prices ballooned out of the reach of working people on the average wage, or people started to spend 2/3 hours per day in a commute? A bit of a worry? A slight concern?

    Housing is being built at the fastest pace in Irish history and at the highest rate in Europe – over 75,000 last year alone. Now, as supply at last begins to meet demand, the rate of price increase is beginning to fall back.

    KK, over 2/3 are holidays homes and for the investor rental market not for families to make homes.

    Ireland’s wealth is being reinvested in social housing, too. This year will see starts on 6,000 new homes and the achievement of some 5,500 completions by local authorities.




    Our growing population and cities depend on transport. Over the next ten years, Ireland will build an integrated system of road, rail, and LUAS that will ensure not only that Ireland keeps working, but that in Dublin, in Cork, in Limerick and in every community Ireland is kept moving.




    These ideas are transforming. From classrooms to clinics, to state-of-the-art public transport, these are initiatives that underpin Ireland’s commitment to prosperity, community and unity.


    KK,State of the art transport? Where you still can’t buy a single ticket to go from A to B, if it involves changing bus not to mind mode of transport? Classrooms where the commitment to reach 20 pupils per teacher has been dropped


    Let’s be honest. All this will not be finished overnight. Prosperity was not created in a moment or by a manifesto; it took years of hard work by the Irish people, backed up by a Government that worked for them and with them.

    KK,Just the one government that worked for them, or were there others?



    And finally, let me touch on a subject that is at the heart of our party and our nation. The search for unity calls on us to look to what is best in our future and in our past.





    Unity – unity by consent – is Fianna Fail’s mission, the basis of our being and a guiding star. We are the Republican Party. And because I am an Irish republican no issue means more than this to me. I know about taking hard and at times lonely decisions needed to restore the ceasefires, negotiate the Good Friday Agreement and advance the peace process. We must be the first generation to achieve a just and lasting peace. It will take time, but let us move forward with a strong and active faith – in our republican ideals and the Irish people.


    KK, Bertie is an Irish Republican Socialist, which I’m sure is news to the Irish Republican Socialist Party which is/was a the political wing of the INLA. This just goes to show how much meaning such words and descriptions can have.


    Fianna Fáil has always been a party close to the people. I listen to the experts. But I learn so much more every week from the neighbours I meet in my own constituency and the citizens I sit down with the length and breadth of the country. As we enter this next phase, as we meet and master the new challenges, Fianna Fáil will be working with and listening to communities across the country.



    And that is why we will win the next election. Our record in Government is better than theirs. Our plans for the futures are real and costed. Our vision for Ireland will lead this nation to a better place.

    KK, Costing this only a week after Eddie Hobbs reminded us of the expert costings involved in the Luas and Port Tunnel. Back of envelopes and out of the air were two phrases used by Minister Brennan, perhaps it’s the fairies that are costing the projects and we’re paying them with our first born!

    The Ireland I see in the future can be summed up in three words: unity, prosperity, community. We will set the course, and this can be our generation’s great legacy – not only an Ireland that leads economically, not only an Ireland of prosperity, but a caring society that honours and upholds community and completes the great unfinished business of the social agenda.

    KK, you know what? I agree with him I can see that Ireland too in our future too, strangely there is a fair haired gentleman as Taoiseach.
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    Bertie said

    And that is why we will win the next election. Our record in Government is better than theirs. Our plans for the futures are real and costed. Our vision for Ireland will lead this nation to a better place.

    A bit like that 8 million euro DOH computer that will now cost 250 million.......... Taoiseach ???

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    I thought Bertie Ahern's speech today was not firmly grounded in fact and somewhat naive and patronizing. How can he insinuate that any future alternative government will not look after the economy? The last government that did not include FF did a reasonable job running the country, and provided the incoming FF-PD coalition of 1997 with a strong economy that was set to take off. If there's one thing FF are guilty of, it is that they are very lucky to have regained power at that moment in history.

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    It is bad enough when an opposition aprty positions itself as simply better than a Government but absolutly pathetic when a Taoiseach's best line of defence after 8 years of power is we're better than the opposition!!!What a joke and what an insult

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