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Thread: Are the Irish entitled to charter Derry and Belfast?

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    Quote Originally Posted by recedite View Post
    The simple answer is that the land belongs to the people who live in it.
    Indigenous people should resist colonisation at the time, if they don't like the implications of losing ownership of their land.
    There's no point complaining about it later.

    In the case of Derry, although it has built by the planters, it has been colonised in modern times by nationalists. Anyone who knows the place will be aware that the remaining planters now live in outlying rural areas, or have retreated to rough housing estates on the outskirts such as the aptly named New Buildings.
    Colonisation cuts both ways.
    So it’s safe to go to Derry then? Unionists have been moved out?
    Unionists in Ireland...going...going...going....gone

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall996 View Post
    So it’s safe to go to Derry then? Unionists have been moved out?
    Depends whether you are a unionist carrying a big bongo drum or just a nationalist

    BTW I didn't say they have been moved out of the city. They moved out. Subtle difference.
    Either way they failed to do what they did hundreds of years ago; ie defend the planter's town inside the walls. And now they have lost it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by recedite View Post
    The simple answer is that the land belongs to the people who live in it.
    Indigenous people should resist colonisation at the time, if they don't like the implications of losing ownership of their land. There's no point complaining about it later.
    May I ask you then Sir, why is it that so-called Irish nationalists care not a jot about the current plantation that's taking place right under their noses? A plantation so total that in the end it'll make Cromwell's wee effort look like a Jock stag weekend in Belfast?
    "“Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. Islam in a man is like rabies in a Dog."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oliver Cromwell McIvor View Post
    May I ask you then Sir, why is it that so-called Irish nationalists care not a jot about the current plantation that's taking place right under their noses? A plantation so total that in the end it'll make Cromwell's wee effort look like a Jock stag weekend in Belfast?
    That is indeed a fascinating question.
    The answer lies in the fact that nationalism in Ireland is largely steered and defined by Sinn Fein.
    While others have tried to donn the nationalist mantle, it never seems to fit anyone else quite as well, perhaps because no other party (within living memory) has produced so many nationalist martyrs. And one martyr is worth a thousand fine speeches.

    SF is not only a "cultural marxist" party but they were actual full-on marxists in the 1960's and 1970's. But nowadays they don't talk about that much.

    Part of the reason is that the NI loyalists became sympathetic with union jack waving British nationalists in Britain, early on, which seems only natural.
    As a result, NI republicans went the opposite way - the far left.

    All this has resulted in the current, somewhat incongruous, SF policy;
    "Brits out, and the rest of the world in".

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    A very concise and interesting explanation Mr Recedite.

    Its a pity they are such utter clampits. By the time they realise the new Planters couldn't give a shiny sh!te about Irish culture - Green or Orange - 'twill be too late.
    "“Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. Islam in a man is like rabies in a Dog."

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