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    Default Joint Authority as a temporary Brexit solution for NI?

    Just noticed on RTE that the leader of the UUP (a small party up North) has been calling for Direct Rule to be imposed on NI.
    UUP in call for direct rule for NI if no-deal Brexit

    Could Joint Authority (Ireland and UK) over NI be a solution (the majority of voters in NI voted against Brexit) in NI in that NI would simultaneously be in and out of the UK?
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    No - genuine joint authority would arguably affect the principle of consent. Unclear how it would even work, and how it would get around the issues in the backstop/border.

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    Nah. Two can play at the "run down the clock" game.

    And right now Ireland north and south will play along with whatever Brexit border nonsense is necessary temporarily, in order to run down the clock to the inevitable majority in the north in favour of a UI.

    Which is well under a decade away in any and all scenarios.

    Which could be under two months away, actually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by livingstone View Post
    No - genuine joint authority would arguably affect the principle of consent. Unclear how it would even work, and how it would get around the issues in the backstop/border.
    If you think it is impossible then it may be a highly possible solution. The aim is to create a legal situation in which NI could be both in and out of the UK in terms of the EU. Since it would be an agreement between Ireland and the UK, the EU would have to recognise such an international treaty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmcc View Post
    If you think it is impossible then it may be a highly possible solution. The aim is to create a legal situation in which NI could be both in and out of the UK in terms of the EU. Since it would be an agreement between Ireland and the UK, the EU would have to recognise such an international treaty.
    If you think it is possible, then feel free to explain how it would work in practice.

    Who exercises executive authority?

    What EU law applies in NI?

    Who enforces it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SideysGhost View Post
    And right now Ireland north and south will play along with whatever Brexit border nonsense is necessary temporarily, in order to run down the clock to the inevitable majority in the north in favour of a UI.
    The proposed JA is temporary. A border poll would be the endgame. This solution would help people in NI and it also creates a path to a UI in that it may provide a timeframe for a border poll.
    Regards...jmcc

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmcc View Post
    The proposed JA is temporary. A border poll would be the endgame. This solution would help people in NI and it also creates a path to a UI in that it may provide a timeframe for a border poll.
    Jesus. Great. An endgame solution which the DUP and UUP are going to be against and so will seek to avoid, one the UK will be against. Giving the Irish govt (which has trouble minding itself) and Westminster (Which has trouble minding itself) another million or so people to manage. Such a stupid idea. Irredeemable. It shows an utter ignorance of the GFA, of the makeup of the parties in NI and the competence of the UK and Irish govts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmcc View Post
    Just noticed on RTE that the leader of the UUP (a small party up North) has been calling for Direct Rule to be imposed on NI.
    UUP in call for direct rule for NI if no-deal Brexit

    Could Joint Authority (Ireland and UK) over NI be a solution (the majority of voters in NI voted against Brexit) in NI in that NI would simultaneously be in and out of the UK?
    Well, at least you're consistent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmcc View Post
    The proposed JA is temporary. A border poll would be the endgame. This solution would help people in NI and it also creates a path to a UI in that it may provide a timeframe for a border poll.
    Which is precisely it would likely not pass a referendum in Northern Ireland, and doing it without the consent of the people of NI would likely be a breach of the GFA.

    Aside from all of that, key questions remain unanswered. Do you envisage a scenario where Northern Ireland would have the same obligations in respect of EU law as Ireland? In other words, the Treaties would apply to NI as they do now. But not to the rest of the UK.

    Meaning what? Let's say NI courts are considering a case that concerns an aspect of EU law. It goes to the UK Supreme Court. Can (or must) the UK Supreme Court make a preliminary reference to the CJEU? If Northern Ireland fails to transpose an directive, who gets infracted by the Commission? Who pays any fine?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sync View Post
    Jesus. Great. An endgame solution which the DUP and UUP are going to be against
    They'll be against anything and this way they get to keep some voters.

    and so will seek to avoid, one the UK will be against.
    The UK really isn't quite sure what it is for or against. The JA solution could solve a lot of problems.
    Regards...jmcc

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