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    Lisbon 're-launch' is a worrying step backwards

    Concerning the European Commission's 're-launch' today of the Lisbon
    Strategy, Daniel Cohn-Bendit Co-President of the Greens/EFA Group and
    Pierre Jonckheer Vice-President of the Greens/EFA Group issued the
    following joint statement:

    "Far from a re-launch, Commission President Barroso is today
    presenting a step back into pre-Lisbon times. The Commission is
    reverting to one-dimensional policies that have already proved unable
    to solve the problems we face. We need an integrated strategy able to
    achieve our economic, environmental, and social goals. The approach
    put forward today is depressingly reminiscent of the Thatcher years."

    "We share the goals of job creation, innovation and the modernisation
    of the European economy. But the instruments proposed by the
    Commission are simply not appropriate to achieve these goals. We need
    a comprehensive macro-economic approach including demand-side policies
    and labour-friendly tax systems. Instead we are offered a supply-side
    solution that devolves responsibility to the Member States. The
    Commission has reduced its role in steering Europe on the right path,
    and now expects governments to meet their European responsibilities.
    We believe that the Commission is failing to show much-needed
    leadership in this regard.

    "Instead of the one-dimensional 'partnership for growth and
    employment' we need a European 'New Deal' � a contract for
    sustainability, in which the real needs of the citizens and the
    environment are balanced and compatible with the need to modernise our
    economy. We must be clear; competitiveness, enterprise and growth are
    a part � but not all � of the picture. A sustainable strategy will
    enhance competitivity."

    "One of the major ways to improve competitiveness is through
    investment in people: in education, professional training, innovation,
    research. Ecological innovation should also be part of a
    forward-looking strategy for job creation. The Commission itself says
    in a report that the eco-industry is growing by 5% a year,
    outperforming the rest of the economy."

    "A Litmus test for how the Commission intends to balance business and
    health and ecological interests, will be the fate of the REACH
    legislation on chemicals. Instead of a disaster, this is a challenge
    and a chance for industry, and the savings in health costs for
    European society far outweigh the costs."

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    Barroso was never right for the job

    Your right....

    But its just that Houllier had lost the plot. I mean yeah sure they won a few cups, but he left the team in a shambles. Just this Barroso fella hasnt done much better. I mean Everton's even ahead of ye now.
    1,197 people agree with me.. how many agree with you ?

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    I thought this thread would die a death, but it's still there...

    I saw Barroso on CNBC the other day. Seemed very capable.

    When challenged that he was giving the social agenda and the environment too low a priority as compared to the economy, he pointed to his three sons. If one of them is sick, he said, we need to prioritise his recovery. That may upset the other two but hopefully they will understand that this is what a good father has to do.

    Besides, Europe cannot afford good sustainable social provision and environmental protection without a dynamic growing economy. The Lisbon Stategy is a plan to help bring this about by boosting productivity through supply side reforms, not slashing welfare programs.

    Still, while Cohn-Bendit is wrong in his prescriptions for competitiveness, he does seem to be living in the real world a little more than Barroso.

    The Commission President has limited powers to force through change on a macro level. He has to try and build up a head of steam and hope that persuasion can work on leaders of Member States. Already, the French are peeing on his parade (French politicians love a bit of unilateralism when it suits their corporate donors). The worst outcome will be for Barroso to fail and be followed by the spend, spend, and regulate approach of those like Cohn-Bendit. It just won't work and will deepen Europe's structural malaise.

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    I thought this thread would die a death, but it's still there...

    I saw Barroso on CNBC the other day. Seemed very capable.

    When challenged that he was giving the social agenda and the environment too low a priority as compared to the economy, he pointed to his three sons. If one of them is sick, he said, we need to prioritise his recovery. That may upset the other two but hopefully they will understand that this is what a good father has to do.

    Besides, Europe cannot afford good sustainable social provision and environmental protection without a dynamic growing economy. The Lisbon Stategy is a plan to help bring this about by boosting productivity through supply side reforms, not slashing welfare programs.

    Still, while Cohn-Bendit is wrong in his prescriptions for competitiveness, he does seem to be living in the real world a little more than Barroso.

    The Commission President has limited powers to force through change on a macro level. He has to try and build up a head of steam and hope that persuasion can work on leaders of Member States. Already, the French are peeing on his parade (French politicians love a bit of unilateralism when it suits their corporate donors). The worst outcome will be for Barroso to fail and be followed by the spend, spend, and regulate approach of those like Cohn-Bendit. It just won't work and will deepen Europe's structural malaise.
    Spare us the Wall Street Journal crap. I read it all last week thank you very much. And I don't buy it. Trouncing on ecology and saying it's because the economic child is sick is a downright lie. Are you telling me that we cannot protect ecology and have a thriving economy?

    [Edited on 6/2/2005 by Realism]

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    Trouncing on ecology and saying it's because the economic child is sick is a downright lie.
    How does the Lisbon Stategy trounce on ecology? I can see why socialists don't like it, but the Greens?

    Are you telling me that we cannot protect ecology and have a thriving economy?
    Not at all. We can protect ecology with or without a thriving economy but I expect it will be better funded and prioritised when Europe's economy gets going. The Lisbon Strategy is a coherent plan for doing acheiving that, even if it is very optimistic about Member States mucking in for the common good.

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    [quote:j0bhduoh]Trouncing on ecology and saying it's because the economic child is sick is a downright lie.
    How does the Lisbon Stategy trounce on ecology? I can see why socialists don't like it, but the Greens?[/quote:j0bhduoh]

    Hello...hello......hello.................

    Lisbon I liked, but that's dead in the water now that we have Barroso, or didn't you read or hear about his speech to the Parliament last week?

    Are you telling me that we cannot protect ecology and have a thriving economy?
    Not at all. We can protect ecology with or without a thriving economy but I expect it will be better funded and prioritised when Europe's economy gets going. The Lisbon Strategy is a coherent plan for doing acheiving that, even if it is very optimistic about Member States mucking in for the common good. [/quote]

    i can't believe you said the above! We cannot protect ecology without a thriving economy. Tell me how! Maybe if you want to ************************ all the humans, but that's not my agenda. Again, Lisbon is dead thanks to Barroso.

    [Edited on 8/2/2005 by Realism]

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    [quote:vrg2z8ab][quote:vrg2z8ab]Trouncing on ecology and saying it's because the economic child is sick is a downright lie.
    How does the Lisbon Stategy trounce on ecology? I can see why socialists don't like it, but the Greens?[/quote:vrg2z8ab]

    Hello...hello......hello.................

    Lisbon I liked, but that's dead in the water now that we have Barroso, or didn't you read or hear about his speech to the Parliament last week?

    Are you telling me that we cannot protect ecology and have a thriving economy?
    Not at all. We can protect ecology with or without a thriving economy but I expect it will be better funded and prioritised when Europe's economy gets going. The Lisbon Strategy is a coherent plan for doing acheiving that, even if it is very optimistic about Member States mucking in for the common good. [/quote:vrg2z8ab]

    i can't believe you said the above! We cannot protect ecology without a thriving economy. Tell me how! Maybe if you want to ************************ all the humans, but that's not my agenda. Again, Lisbon is dead thanks to Barroso.

    [Edited on 8/2/2005 by Realism] [/quote]

    Well Libero?

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    How can Barroso help the Lisbon agenda more?

    France and Germany have the most to do and it is up to them alone to reform their labour laws...
    I think Barroso is helping by not forcing them to keep strictly to the growth and stability pact

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    The great hope of the EU is that it may construct an alternative economic model to the dominant US model.
    e.g. focus on technological efficiency and resource use, if that is put in place then the EU will be well place to face the next energy crunch when there will be increasing competition for diminishing resources.

    Barroso does not inspire confidence, he seems to adopting a strategy of seeking banana skins to stand on.

    The asset test will be REACH, it is essentially a consumer protection tool which is facing a lot of opposition from industrial interests who prefer to churn out products without detailing the composition.

    It can be boiled cown to choice of interests- Consumer or Corporate.

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    Who cares about this guy. The Germans and the French will screw him anyway and keep doing what they want. There is no way in hell that Europe will ever compete effectively with the US unless it becomes more like Europe, which is unlikely. Try starting a business in Europe as opposed to the US. Try firing an incomeptent employee in Europe as opposed to the US. Try any risky economic activity, go broke and see how easy it is to start again.

    The issue has to do with business culture and risk raking rather than some EU Commissioner or President. Europe has made its own disaster in overregulation. Barroso is unlikely to clear it up and his successor will be agreed upon to undo it at the behest of Germany and France.

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