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    Default Celebrity gay stuff: is homophobia OK if you have a famous gay friend?

    A recent situation in the US has raised some awkward issues, including the question: "is homophobia OK if you have a famous gay friend?".

    The situation arose after it was announced that Kevin Hart had been chosen to host the upcoming Oscar broadcast. Some people pointed out on social media that Hart had in the past made homophobic statements. In the past Hart has made homophobic remarks in standup comedy routines, in movies, in interviews and in tweets.

    Once this all hit social media Hart "stepped down" from being the Oscar host.

    However Hart's pal Ellen DeGeneres took to various outlets to defend Hart, saying that he should be given a second chance as he had apologized for his past homophobia remarks. DeGeneres pushed for Hart to be reinstated as Oscar host.

    This led to a followup round of reaction on social media of 2 types:
    1. people pointed out that Hart had never actually apologized for his past homophobia
    2. DeGeneres was accused of double standards as she has in the past condemned at least 1 celebrity who made homophobic statements, with no similar request that the person be forgiven

    For his part Hart appeared on DeGeneres's TV show and wallowed in self-pity, saying that he had apologized in the past (even though he hadn't) and didn't see why all of this needed to be brought up again. He even made the usual non-apology by saying that IF anyone was outraged by his past actions he was sorry about that. He just doesn't seem to get it.

    He also went on to address those who have brought up his past homophobia again, saying that such people were just waiting to attack him at a point when it would cause him maximum damage.

    The whole situation is very odd. Given the times that we live in, why was/is Hart being given a massive pass when it comes to his past behaviour, when other celebrities get hammered, and often lose their careers, for one incident?
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    I am getting fed up listening to the gay lobby.
    Can you not just accept that you are the same as everyone else, take a joke from time to time as we all do and just f u c king get on with your lives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the secretary View Post
    I am getting fed up listening to the gay lobby.
    Can you not just accept that you are the same as everyone else, take a joke from time to time as we all do and just f u c king get on with your lives.

    What joke was there when Hart called another person a "fat fag"?

    Hart has engaged in homophobic name-calling 100 times in tweets. There was no jokes involved - just infantile name calling.

    As for his supposed on stage jokes where is the joke in saying:
    "that if his son played with a doll house, he’d “break it over his head & say n my voice ‘stop that’s gay.’ ?
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    To be fair this was 8-10 years ago though. His homophobia was directed against men rather than lesbians, so perhaps it doesn't hit home as much for Ellen. It would be odd for the liberal Oscars to be represented by someone who has publicly said these things. Then again people can be educated and perhaps those are no longer his views.
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    His failure to apologise rather than the sleazy "if anyone was offended" line is telling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dame_Enda View Post
    To be fair this was 8-10 years ago though. His homophobia was directed against men rather than lesbians, so perhaps it doesn't hit home as much for Ellen. It would be odd for the liberal Oscars to be represented by someone who has publicly said these things. Then again people can be educated and perhaps those are no longer his views.
    He has been all over the place in terms of apologizing.

    Right now his attitude is "poor me".

    I don't think he has learned anything, other than to downplay his past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cricket View Post
    His failure to apologise rather than the sleazy "if anyone was offended" line is telling.
    He has recently issued both a direct apology, plus various other non-apologies (such as the one I quoted), which results in people not knowing whether he truly is sorry or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dame_Enda View Post
    To be fair this was 8-10 years ago though. His homophobia was directed against men rather than lesbians, so perhaps it doesn't hit home as much for Ellen. It would be odd for the liberal Oscars to be represented by someone who has publicly said these things. Then again people can be educated and perhaps those are no longer his views.

    So you agree with him that it was OK to be homophobic "back then"?

    Wise up - 8-10 years isn't that long ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beachcomber View Post
    He has recently issued both a direct apology, plus various other non-apologies (such as the one I quoted), which results in people not knowing whether he truly is sorry or not.
    Yeah that’s the problem. You can deal with this stuff directly, it happens loads of sports stars who wrote dumb stuff at 17 and it comes out 6 years later.

    I’m sorry, I was an immature idiot, I’ve grown up now and recognise the words of a dumb kid. I trust people will judge me for the man I am today, not the boy I used to be.

    You say that and this goes away.
    I'm living in America, and in America, you're on your own. America's not a country. It's just a business. Now f***ing pay me.

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