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    Irish citizen captured in Syria by group fighting ISIS

    Two talking points here I think. The first was this was inevitable and is interesting because it confirms a pattern so many have denied or poo-poo'd. The pattern I am talking about is the kind of guff uttered around the time of Margret Hassan's kidnap and murder. It went along the lines of "Once they see her Irish passport sure they'll leave her alone". Or "We support the Palestinians, they won't attack us". or "We're not bombing their countries". The general conceit here is that Islamic extremism is nothing but the blind reaction of some Muslims to Western aggression. Ireland is not immune to, and should expect every aspect and consequence of significant muslim population as has been felt by other countries. We're just behind the curve.

    The second point is the citizenship revocation angle. There's another thread on the legality and ethics of it here. It should be noted that convicted Irish-Libyan terrorist referred to that thread still has his passport. We've not had such a clear cut example of someone failing in their loyalty to the State. If this case is what it looks like, I'll be watching the DOJ to see if they're going to do what Canada, Aus and the UK routinely do.
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    Denmark strips man of citizenship for fighting for Islamic State | Middle East Eye

    That is how a real country operates, we are a joke.......our immigration and citizenship systems are a shambles, but just typical of this corrupt kip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Parlon View Post
    Irish citizen captured in Syria by group fighting ISIS

    Two talking points here I think. The first was this was inevitable and is interesting because it confirms a pattern so many have denied or poo-poo'd. The pattern I am talking about is the kind of guff uttered around the time of Margret Hassan's kidnap and murder. It went along the lines of "Once they see her Irish passport sure they'll leave her alone". Or "We support the Palestinians, they won't attack us". or "We're not bombing their countries". The general conceit here is that Islamic extremism is nothing but the blind reaction of some Muslims to Western aggression. Ireland is not immune to, and should expect every aspect and consequence of significant muslim population as has been felt by other countries. We're just behind the curve.

    The second point is the citizenship revocation angle. There's another thread on the legality and ethics of it here. It should be noted that convicted Irish-Libyan terrorist referred to that thread still has his passport. We've not had such a clear cut example of someone failing in their loyalty to the State. If this case is what it looks like, I'll be watching the DOJ to see if they're going to do what Canada, Aus and the UK routinely do.
    We have another Irish citizen arrested in Russia for spying for the greatesT terrorist state on earth , i am sure you would want him stripped of his citizenship as well ?

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    1) No one incident ever confirms a pattern. You fundamentally misunderstand what a pattern is.

    2) All for removing passports granted to anyone convicted of any violent crime really. Getting into the opinion based "Loyalty to the State" discussion seems misguided. You could pretty much make that argument against anyone with an Irish passport who takes up employment with any foreign govt or army.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sync View Post
    1) No one incident ever confirms a pattern. You fundamentally misunderstand what a pattern is.
    I wasn't very clear in what I was saying. It is this:

    There exists a pattern with Islamic extremism in Western countries. First, domestic pressure groups, then naturalized fighting overseas, then maybe a domestic attack etc. My point was that we have heard it said that Ireland is different because we're friendly and so we shouldn't expect a similar pattern to pay out. And finally, this incident is another dot along the same pattern.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sync View Post
    2) All for removing passports granted to anyone convicted of any violent crime really. Getting into the opinion based "Loyalty to the State" discussion seems misguided. You could pretty much make that argument against anyone with an Irish passport who takes up employment with any foreign govt or army.
    The word in the act is "Fealty" (I think).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Parlon View Post
    The word in the act is "Fealty" (I think).
    I fail to see how an Irish passport holder in the employ of the British army could be said to be displaying fealty when an IS member isn't. Just adjust the act to deal with violent offences. Any convictions, donezo. As it is in other countries. Needs to be far easier to remove passports from those granted them. They should be a privilege not a right.
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    The article in the OP mentions that he was on a garda watchlist re radicals, and left with his family in 2013 for the middle east. I have no issues with stripping him of citizenship, and his family for that matter.

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    He'll be on the Late Late in a few weeks being feted and lionised and that will be the end of the matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gijoe View Post
    He'll be on the Late Late in a few weeks being feted and lionised and that will be the end of the matter.
    Doing "humanitarian" work no doubt, it's only a matter of time before one of the 10's of 1000's of "irish" citizens created out of thin air commits an atrocity somewhere in the world, which has absolutely nothing to do with the Irish people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TweetyBird View Post
    The article in the OP mentions that he was on a garda watchlist re radicals, and left with his family in 2013 for the middle east. I have no issues with stripping him of citizenship, and his family for that matter.
    Indeed , who of us would, as we should with the American spy arrested in Russia

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