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Thread: Nurses to ballot for strike action following their rejection of Government pay proposals

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    Quote Originally Posted by IDBI0 View Post
    Comments like this only go to prove that most people who criticise frontline staff in our hospitals don't have a clue. Most nurses are leaving from ward posts because they simply cannot take the stress and overwork. My sister works in a specialist area - not A&E - and often gets home from work late with her lunch still in her bag, uneaten. You really don't know the actual situation, however, when the number of nurses working is finally reduced to the point where the hospitals can no longer cope reality will dawn.
    I fear you've misunderstood my point or perhaps it was poorly worded.
    Many nursing jobs are very stressful and perhaps these nurses are underpaid given the work they do. Conversely other nursing areas are not difficult or stressful. Despite this their Union effectively does not allow differing wage levels. Clearly nurses in the most stressful areas where there is a shortage should be paid more then nursing jobs that are less stressful and where there is no shortage.

    Not sure why you are jumping down my throat, are you suggesting every single nurse has as equally stressful a job as your sister ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruman View Post
    In fairness it does state there does appear to be a problem in certain areas.
    That was why specialist allowances were recommended but the unions are using specific problems to look for across the board rises.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4horsemen View Post
    Why do nurses not demand a proper 8hr shift pattern which would be healthier for them and safer for patients?
    An 8 hour shift would not be safer for patients - the more handovers and the more staff dealing with a patient the greater the likelihood of an error being made.

    Medical staff know that long shifts are difficult - but they also know and accept that they are safer for patients.
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    All PS pay increases should be frozen (and in some cases PS pay should be reduced) until the private sector gets a commensurate increase.

    I, for one, am sick and tired of funding a health system that I cannot afford to use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IDBI0 View Post
    Actually, nurses have a bad deal because they have never been 'at it'. Because they were under the cosh of religious orders and as a result of their strong sense of duty of care, they have been taken advantage of and have never been treated fairly. If they had gone on strike, or even threatened strike, as often as teachers did then they would now have better pay and conditions. And BTW re your plucked out of thin air €55,000, my sister is a nurse with almost 30 years' experience and numerous qualifications and she earns €47,000.
    Why the f.u.c.k am I contributing to your sister's €47,000 a year salary when I cannot afford to use the Health system?

    There is a fundamental disconnect. Reduce her level of pay or increase mine. At some point something has got to give.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FunkyBoogaloo View Post
    Why the f.u.c.k am I contributing to your sister's 47,000 a year salary when I cannot afford to use the Health system?

    There is a fundamental disconnect. Reduce her level of pay or increase mine. At some point something has got to give.
    You could always emigrate, like so many doctors and nurses do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4horsemen View Post
    Why do nurses not demand a proper 8hr shift pattern which would be healthier for them and safer for patients?
    So 3 X 9 hour shifts , instead of 2 X 13 - to cover 24 hours, given .5 hours at beginning and end of each shift for clinical handover. - so that would mean an extra hour to be paid or 9 weeks pay per year.

    It could be done , but would cost more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Massey View Post
    You could always emigrate, like so many doctors and nurses do?
    Yes chiefly due to their members and representative bodies blocking both reform and access to consultant posts in order to enrich a select few over the general population. The taxpayer is left funding the huge cost of educating doctors who then emigrate to the US/UK but receives services from poorly vetted medical staff from developing countries who suffer a brain drain.
    3rd world services for 1st world taxes as it were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Massey View Post
    You could always emigrate, like so many doctors and nurses do?
    Is that before or after I have helped fund their education too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FunkyBoogaloo View Post
    Is that before or after I have helped fund their education too?
    Do they not fund your education?

    Or did you go to third level?

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