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    The Greens are pushing for more than 1 million immigrants - they mentioned a population of 10m on this island. And that increase isn't going to come from the women folk of Ireland

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    Quote Originally Posted by McTell View Post
    Round about independence, nigeria had 45m peeps, now it's close to 200m. As many as brazil, with a lot less to get by on.

    Nigeria Population | 1960-2018 | Data | Chart | Calendar | Forecast | News


    But, their kids are born to be useful, not to be pampered until age 21, and a high death rate was normal. We can't say to them, "bad luck, more of your kids are surviving every year".

    Given the 190m, does anyone seriously think that nigeria will stop selling its oil because the UN tells them to? It's all they have.
    Maybe someone can explain how such population growth correlates with an environment poor in physical resources. Surely Darwin would imply the opposite. Perhaps it is only "poor" relative to a set of Western desires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clearmurk View Post
    Maybe someone can explain how such population growth correlates with an environment poor in physical resources. Surely Darwin would imply the opposite. Perhaps it is only "poor" relative to a set of Western desires.
    Birth rates are negatively correlated with employment and income levels i.e. they move in opposite directions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clearmurk View Post
    Maybe someone can explain how such population growth correlates with an environment poor in physical resources. Surely Darwin would imply the opposite. Perhaps it is only "poor" relative to a set of Western desires.
    Population growth expands as poverty, desperation, war increases. In Nigeria having a small or medium sized familly is considered shameful, men are expected to father at least ten children due to cultural reasons. Nigeria is also attracting migrants from surrounding countries. Even Bill Gates is getting fed up with it all...

    The African youth boom: what's worrying Bill Gates | Polly Toynbee | Global development | The Guardian

    What worries Bill Gates most? The booming population of Africa looms over his foundation’s latest global survey. By the end of this century there will be 4 billion more people on Earth – and 3 billion of these extra souls will be born in Africa. The challenge, he says, is that “Africa must almost quadruple its agricultural productivity to feed itself. That’s very daunting.”
    At least Gates cares about the future and is trying, he has a techie science background so he would see things as they are and what is coming. Had he been a blue blooded financial type who makes his wealth moving wealth around he probably wouldn't care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karloff View Post
    Population growth expands as poverty, desperation, war increases. In Nigeria having a small or medium sized familly is considered shameful, men are expected to father at least ten children due to cultural reasons. Nigeria is also attracting migrants from surrounding countries. Even Bill Gates is getting fed up with it all...

    The African youth boom: what's worrying Bill Gates | Polly Toynbee | Global development | The Guardian
    The quality of Life is getting better all the time in Africa

    - but from a very low base....

    The problem for us is that as its population expands then the numbers wanting to reach Europe

    - will also expand....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catalpast View Post
    The quality of Life is getting better all the time in Africa

    - but from a very low base....

    The problem for us is that as its population expands then the numbers wanting to reach Europe

    - will also expand....
    The problem is that populations almost never decline. With technology, food science and all the rest it does not happen. So every population milestone we reach is likely a permanent state of affairs. If we become 12 billion - with most living in misery it will probably stay that way or get worse. Look at Bangladesh, they are drowning, every advantage afforded by growth is swallowed up by population expansion so the people get no advantage. There is a lesson for us there too (although mass emigration out of Ireland is possibly a wildcard release valve nonetheless foreigners who move here will probably never leave again unlike Irish), what is 10 million in Ireland like when you see the transport, health and water problems already materialising now with politicians who wait until things fall apart before applying a bandaid. Population increase reduces quality and value of life, it never increases them and it is long lasting or permanent change. It's madness in my view but good for business (oligarchs).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karloff View Post
    Population growth expands as poverty, desperation, war increases. In Nigeria having a small or medium sized familly is considered shameful, men are expected to father at least ten children due to cultural reasons. Nigeria is also attracting migrants from surrounding countries. Even Bill Gates is getting fed up with it all...

    The African youth boom: what's worrying Bill Gates | Polly Toynbee | Global development | The Guardian



    At least Gates cares about the future and is trying, he has a techie science background so he would see things as they are and what is coming. Had he been a blue blooded financial type who makes his wealth moving wealth around he probably wouldn't care.
    Gates is free to spend his mega bucks on pet projects all he wants

    - but he seems to think he should slag off those of us who want to spend our own money

    - on our own pet projects...

    Namely ourselves and our families
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karloff View Post
    The problem is that populations almost never decline. With technology, food science and all the rest it does not happen. So every population milestone we reach is likely a permanent state of affairs. If we become 12 billion - with most living in misery it will probably stay that way or get worse. Look at Bangladesh, they are drowning, every advantage afforded by growth is swallowed up by population expansion so the people get no advantage.
    Actually, as somebody here pointed out to me, Bangladesh has made dramatic progress in reducing its fertility rate:

    World Population Day 2017: What can we learn from Bangladesh? | The Water Blog

    So there is hope. The empowerment of women will be a vital tool in controlling population growth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karloff View Post
    The problem is that populations almost never decline. With technology, food science and all the rest it does not happen. So every population milestone we reach is likely a permanent state of affairs. If we become 12 billion - with most living in misery it will probably stay that way or get worse. Look at Bangladesh, they are drowning, every advantage afforded by growth is swallowed up by population expansion so the people get no advantage. There is a lesson for us there too (although mass emigration out of Ireland is possibly a wildcard release valve nonetheless foreigners who move here will probably never leave again unlike Irish), what is 10 million in Ireland like when you see the transport, health and water problems already materialising now with politicians who wait until things fall apart before applying a bandaid. Population increase reduces quality and value of life, it never increases them and it is long lasting or permanent change. It's madness in my view but good for business (oligarchs).
    The Earth's population is expanding and the average wealth of its citizens is increasing too

    An expanding population is not the problem

    - its the management of the Earth's resources that needs to be carefully controlled
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardillaun View Post
    Actually, as somebody here pointed out to me, Bangladesh has made dramatic progress in reducing its fertility rate:

    World Population Day 2017: What can we learn from Bangladesh? | The Water Blog

    So there is hope. The empowerment of women will be a vital tool in controlling population growth.
    Yes even BD is making progress....

    But again from a very low base....
    If you can convince a People to engage in the mass elimination of their own offspring - you can probably get them to do anything...http://irelandinhistory.blogspot.ie/

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