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    Quote Originally Posted by Voluntary View Post
    It's really a matter of shifting some income taxes towards corporate taxes. Meaning shifting work related taxes towards wealth taxes as corporate profits affect shareholders, so the wealth holders.
    That's a good reason to increase corporate tax but a) harmonization doesn't imply any such shift and b) it isn't why there's a push towards tax harmonization in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Parlon View Post
    Please explain why tax harmonization would appear to be a good thing at face value to anyone who lives and works and hopes to raise their children in Ireland.
    I'm talking about from an EU perspective. I don't disagree with with your assessment of the problem from Ireland's position as an outlier with regard to economic models - I made that point too. Harmonization doesn't need to be, and rarely is a brute force broad brush application. The devil is in the detail.
    Brexit is the undefined being negotiated by the unprepared in order to get the unspecified for the uninformed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voluntary View Post
    Ireland wants customs union with NI. EU wants fair taxation. The negotiation hasn't started yet.
    The EU doesn't want a porous economic border with a wild west UK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erudite Caveman View Post
    The EU doesn't want a porous economic border with a wild west UK.
    If there's one 'porous border' issue the EU doesn't need to worry about, it's an economic one with the UK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Parlon View Post
    That's a good reason to increase corporate tax but a) harmonization doesn't imply any such shift and b) it isn't why there's a push towards tax harmonization in the first place.
    But this is not about harmonization of taxes / tax rates or even rules. It's about paying taxes where products or services are provided/sold as opposed to being collected nowhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voluntary View Post
    But this is not about harmonization of taxes / tax rates or even rules. It's about paying taxes where products or services are provided/sold as opposed to being collected nowhere.
    A pull back on repatriating profits/profit-shifting is already underway. Tax harmonization is different. It means the same tax regime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voluntary View Post
    But this is not about harmonization of taxes / tax rates or even rules. It's about paying taxes where products or services are provided/sold as opposed to being collected nowhere.
    It about other EU countries that are not able to over come the inefficiencies within their own countries who instead of reforming think its easier (and it is) to drag irealnd down to their level.
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    This is how they twist your arm folks:

    EU Meeting Monday December 11 2000
    We were now down to 29 votes for the big four, which was cutting down on reweighting, and the whole thing was not brilliant at all. It was taking a fair amount of strong arming to get the medium sized and the smaller countries to go for it. At one point TB* and Schroeder literally had [Guy] Verhofstadt [Prime Minister of Belgium] pinned into the corner of the room, his smile getting thinner and thinner as TB did the charm and Schroeder did the exasperation bordering on anger. Chirac was even more aggressive, at one point telling the Belgian foreign Minister he was a coward because they wouldn't take the deal. ...the last bits of haggling were done in the margins and largely by officials. Finally around 5AM it was all done.
    The Blair Years: The Alastair Campbell Diaries

    Tony Blair British - Prime Minister

    Gerhard Schröder - German Chancellor

    Jacques Chirac - French President

    Explanatory Note:

    'Different Member States had problems with various Presidency drafts but in the end it was Belgium which found itself isolated on the issue of whether the "decoupling" of Member States who currently have the same number of votes would apply across the board or only to medium and small sized countries. This led to protracted negotiations through the night with Belgium finally giving in in the early hours of the morning following very heavy pressure from the Presidency and other Member States.’
    http://ec.europa.eu/dorie/fileDownlo...&cardId=212607
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    There should be no tax harmonization and no more surrender of power to EU for any purpose. It is time for the opposite to take place i.e. the repatriation of some powers to national level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stopdoingstuff View Post
    There should be no tax harmonization and no more surrender of power to EU for any purpose. It is time for the opposite to take place i.e. the repatriation of some powers to national level.
    Indeed - but I cant see it happening

    We need Out of the EU

    - and to regain our Sovereignty.
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