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    Default Viewpoint Diversity in Irish universities

    I think it is safe to say that many US universities have a problem that is concentrated in non-scientific faculties and the university management. It is the problem of a dominant ideology based around social justice and victim-hood where in the worst cases, the proponents of the ideology have lost any tolerance for any other competing/conflicting viewpoints existing on the campuses. There following videos explain why this is a problem.

    https://youtu.be/kaQ-ZF9S3uk
    https://youtu.be/uogEbb0WOJE
    https://youtu.be/3H20jwYq8WI

    This is why you see no-platforming happening in universities. No-platforming is the most externally visible sign that this problem exists. Anyone who might say something or even be perceived to say something negative against a victimized category runs the risk of being no-platformed. Another clear sign is when independently minded academics get their P45 handed to them.

    In the US, this guy Jonathan Haidt has started an organisation to restore viewpoint diversity to US universities. He even compiles a ranking of US universities where the elite universities are unfortunately at the bottom of the pile in terms of viewpoint diversity. This should start helping in the coming years.

    In the UK, you have a different approach being taken to tackle the no-platforming symptom of the problem: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/educatio...ce-government/

    Why is this important ? Well we pay a lot of money for education and it is essential for our future success as a society. If our 3rd level institutions are educating our young adults to be one trick ponies, we should care. If our young adults are one trick ponies, what happens our society as these young adults develop into political, media, business and education leaders ? Educating our next generation of leaders is essential to keep societal development adapting to unforeseen change in the best possible way.

    Is there any evidence of this lack of viewpoint diversity in Irish universities ?
    Is there any evidence that viewpoint diversity is alive and flourishing in Irish universities ?
    Is there some reason why the Irish institutes are resistant to what US universities are clearly not?

    Contributions could be on events directly occurring within the third level institution or it could be on events external to the university that indirectly points to presence or absence of viewpoint diversity in university education.

    I would especially love to hear viewpoints/evidence from people inside the Irish universities and those who recently (last 10 years) exited as a graduating student from an Irish university. I am a science and tech graduate from too long ago and hence I won;t have direct experience of what is happening in the humanities now.

    I am a concerned citizen with a stake in the quality of our third level education system. I do see that Irish media is no different to other medias in terms of the biases they portray and this gives me some reason to believe all is not well at the universities.
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    They have no interest in "viewpoint diversity" if you don't share their viewpoints then you are automatically a Nazi.

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    That could be the case but it would be great to get any supporting material that informs your opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AyaanMyHero View Post
    I think it is safe to say that many US universities have a problem that is concentrated in non-scientific faculties and the university management. It is the problem of a dominant ideology based around social justice and victim-hood where in the worst cases, the proponents of the ideology have lost any tolerance for any other competing/conflicting viewpoints existing on the campuses. There following videos explain why this is a problem.

    https://youtu.be/kaQ-ZF9S3uk
    https://youtu.be/uogEbb0WOJE
    https://youtu.be/3H20jwYq8WI

    This is why you see no-platforming happening in universities. No-platforming is the most externally visible sign that this problem exists. Anyone who might say something or even be perceived to say something negative against a victimized category runs the risk of being no-platformed. Another clear sign is when independently minded academics get their P45 handed to them.

    In the US, this guy Jonathan Haidt has started an organisation to restore viewpoint diversity to US universities. He even compiles a ranking of US universities where the elite universities are unfortunately at the bottom of the pile in terms of viewpoint diversity. This should start helping in the coming years.

    In the UK, you have a different approach being taken to tackle the no-platforming symptom of the problem: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/educatio...ce-government/

    Why is this important ? Well we pay a lot of money for education and it is essential for our future success as a society. If our 3rd level institutions are educating our young adults to be one trick ponies, we should care. If our young adults are one trick ponies, what happens our society as these young adults develop into political, media, business and education leaders ? Educating our next generation of leaders is essential to keep societal development adapting to unforeseen change in the best possible way.

    Is there any evidence of this lack of viewpoint diversity in Irish universities ?
    Is there any evidence that viewpoint diversity is alive and flourishing in Irish universities ?
    Is there some reason why the Irish institutes are resistant to what US universities are clearly not?

    Contributions could be on events directly occurring within the third level institution or it could be on events external to the university that indirectly points to presence or absence of viewpoint diversity in university education.

    I would especially love to hear viewpoints/evidence from people inside the Irish universities and those who recently (last 10 years) exited as a graduating student from an Irish university. I am a science and tech graduate from too long ago and hence I won;t have direct experience of what is happening in the humanities now.

    I am a concerned citizen with a stake in the quality of our third level education system. I do see that Irish media is no different to other medias in terms of the biases they portray and this gives me some reason to believe all is not well at the universities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenian Boy View Post
    They have no interest in "viewpoint diversity" if you don't share their viewpoints then you are automatically a Nazi.
    What if you are an actual Nazi though?
    Let's all raise a glass of frog milk to the ancient festival of Fargaltide!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CookieMonster View Post
    What?
    Ye fúcking Nazi!!!!
    Let's all raise a glass of frog milk to the ancient festival of Fargaltide!

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    Basically you are asking whether Universities should have morons as well as normal people?

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    another right wing fanboy...............we're infested enough here as it is

    where is the tide of right wing male victimhood coming from?................

    Yeah - the wimmin are dominating everything at Irish universities - I believe they are going to take out the mens toilets in the UCD Arts block - just so they can..............

    F^ckin seriously...............

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    The places where students are being thought there are 100 different genders never mind the science a man can simply put on a dress and mutilate his penis and all of a sudden he becomes a woman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by razorblade View Post
    The places where students are being thought there are 100 different genders never mind the science a man can simply put on a dress and mutilate his penis and all of a sudden he becomes a woman.
    Daft it is. I have sympathy with that tiny minority where genitals at birth appear to be "questionable". Everybody else should just get on with it and play the hand they have been dealt.

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