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    St Patrick's Guild (Inc) Voluntary Liquidation



    St Patrick's Guild (Inc) had total assets of €265,847 and total liabilities of €26,876 as of 31 October 2018


    Agency in adoption scandal enters voluntary liquidation | Irish Examiner



    By Conall Ó Fátharta


    Following the discovery of the 126 illegal birth registrations in May, Children’s Minister Katherine Zappone announced a “scoping exercise” to see if the extent of illegal birth registrations is widespread and requires a full, forensic examination of all records. The final report was due in October but has been delayed until April.

    The department has refused to reveal the sample size of the 150,000 records to be examined in the review or the methodology involved. The scoping exercise has also been criticised for being focused only on illegal registrations and not all forms of illegal adoption.

    The department has steadfastly claimed that the 126 cases revealed in May represent “the only cases in which clear evidence of incorrect registrations has been found”.

    However, the Irish Examiner has revealed documented cases of illegal adoptions and illegal birth registrations as far back as 2010, including the fact that the Adoption Authority (AAI) warned the department about the scale of the problem on three separate occasions in 2011, 2013, and in 2015.

    The AAI specifically cited “several hundred” cases at St Patrick’s Guild. In 2015, it sent the department a detailed spreadsheet containing 90 cases that it felt represented illegal registrations. This information was not acted upon at that time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Killpatrick View Post
    To be honest, I don't think we'll ever see Justice it goes too deep and dark, it's been going on for too long and there's too many involved, the church and the state are tied in knots and they don't know what to do about it they fear the truth, so there is a major cover-up, and their solution is to close the files for 75 years, talk about kicking the can down the Road, the Irish government and the church seem to be above the law in Ireland they will deny Justice at all costs, because the truth is catastrophic.

    It takes sustained effort over decades to make a difference. I quite understand if that is too tough for you. It's encouraging to me to hear survivor groups demanding that Minister for Children Katherine Zappone resign. I, of course, called for Zappone to step down sometime ago on Castlepollard, and I also wanted Chair Judge Yvonne Murphy replaced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarryPlough01 View Post
    It takes sustained effort over decades to make a difference. I quite understand if that is too tough for you. It's encouraging to me to hear survivor groups demanding that Minister for Children Katherine Zappone resign. I, of course, called for Zappone to step down sometime ago on Castlepollard, and I also wanted Chair Judge Yvonne Murphy replaced.
    I agree it's a start, I just don't have very much faith in the government or the church they've always walked hand-in-hand together when it came to Cleansing the Irish state of what they deemed unworthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarryPlough01 View Post
    irishfirstmothers.blogspot.com/2019/01/mother-and-baby-homes-delay-adds-insult.html


    MOTHER AND BABY HOMES DELAY ADDS INSULT TO INJURY

    "Judge Murphy surely knew quite some time ago that this deadline would be missed," comments Fintan Dunne, media liaison for Irish First Mothers.

    "So why didn't either the judge or the Minister inform leaders of the survivor community long before now? They were led to believe that some closure awaited survivors this Spring. This betrayal is devastating for them."

    "This is a grossly incompetent Commission. It's inquiries should have been structured to produce a timely first report based on a representative sample of cases. That way an informed response by government could already be underway. Instead, the original injury is being constantly layered with further insults."


    Fintan Dunne, media liaison for Irish First Mothers
    Fintan Dunne is an Irish Mother?

    Anyone?
    If you can convince a People to engage in the mass elimination of their own offspring - you can probably get them to do anything...http://irelandinhistory.blogspot.ie/

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    The Irish state of course quietly continues its efforts to sweep the 'painful happenings' of the past under the carpet by whatever means it can.

    In a sense the last few governments have been worse than the governments which were in place when the abuses were taking place in religious run institutions and the nuns were making money out of the human trafficking industry.

    The governments back then were full of people who couldn't contemplate or imagine wrongdoing in that quarter. There's no such excuse available for government of the modern day.
    Ecclesia oportet destrui

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    You can see a very familiar form of tip-toeing carefully around anything which might prove revelatory by Zappone, her Department and other arms of government.

    Apart from failing to collect redress monies from very wealthy orders, failing to follow up on promised prosecutions in matters arising from the Ryan Commisson Report, covering up the names of those involved in abuses detailed in the latter on the basis of those prosecutions which never arrived, Irish Government activity while not exactly being a byword for alacrity down the years is familiarly glacial in the matter of dealing with the more socially gothic elements of the past.

    Mainly because all these institutions, the Tuam home, the institutions in a lot of cases had members of the politically dynastic on visiting committees and boards and in position where they could have had an effect on the incidence of institutional abuses and did nothing.

    It is the 'good German' stuff where no government of today wants to draw the ire of local councillor and TD families in their party for uncovering an institutional past which could not have happened had their relatives in many cases not been asleep at the wheel in association with local institutional governance at best and negligent and stupid at worst.

    Bear in mind these days you still get a lot of 'political families' who would have a TD or Senator or be active party apparatchiks down the country who would not want the local social history and their family's part in it being brought into the daylight.

    You know that line from Cold Comfort Farm. 'There's something nasty in the kitchen'.

    Always the instinct is to obfuscate, delay till they die, hum and haw and hope it all somehow goes away with the passage of time.

    The route of full disclosure brings the Irish terror of shame with it. And no-one knows where it would lead so it is doubly terrifying and the only political capital available is to try newer ways of covering it all up.

    One of these days we might see a Taoiseach dabbing an eye in the Oireachtas when speaking of such issues, while quietly continuing as these professional liars do, to be part of the problem rather than the solution.

    Oh-wait... that has already come to pass.
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    Back in 2011 from an examination of lcandidates standing in local elections 2009 something like 40% were relatives of sitting or former members of the Oireachtas.

    now take that back 30, 40 and 50 years and you get the picture.
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    Minister Zappone's Trump Manoeuvre...



    @Politicians,


    MINISTER FOR CHILDREN KATHERINE ZAPPONE IS PULLING AN AMERICAN DONALD TRUMP MANOEUVRE


    MINISTER ZAPPONE SHOULD BE *EJECTED FROM THE DAIL* FOR HER PARTICIPATION IN A CRIMINAL CABAL THAT IS TRYING TO OBSTRUCT JUSTICE



    THEY INTEND TO PASS LEGISLATION THAT WILL OBSTRUCT JUSTICE FOR THE TUAM CHILDREN *WITHOUT BENEFIT OF A COMPLETED REPORT* FROM THE COMMISSION OF INVESTIGATION INTO MOTHER AND BABY HOMES



    *THIS LEGISLATION MUST NOT BE VOTED IN*




    @Everyone,


    TALK TO _ALL_ YOUR TDS AND TELL THEM TO VOTE DOWN ZAPPONE'S CORRUPT ACT

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lumpy Talbot View Post
    You can see a very familiar form of tip-toeing carefully around anything which might prove revelatory by Zappone, her Department and other arms of government.

    Apart from failing to collect redress monies from very wealthy orders, failing to follow up on promised prosecutions in matters arising from the Ryan Commisson Report, covering up the names of those involved in abuses detailed in the latter on the basis of those prosecutions which never arrived, Irish Government activity while not exactly being a byword for alacrity down the years is familiarly glacial in the matter of dealing with the more socially gothic elements of the past.

    Mainly because all these institutions, the Tuam home, the institutions in a lot of cases had members of the politically dynastic on visiting committees and boards and in position where they could have had an effect on the incidence of institutional abuses and did nothing.

    It is the 'good German' stuff where no government of today wants to draw the ire of local councillor and TD families in their party for uncovering an institutional past which could not have happened had their relatives in many cases not been asleep at the wheel in association with local institutional governance at best and negligent and stupid at worst.

    Bear in mind these days you still get a lot of 'political families' who would have a TD or Senator or be active party apparatchiks down the country who would not want the local social history and their family's part in it being brought into the daylight.

    You know that line from Cold Comfort Farm. 'There's something nasty in the kitchen'.

    Always the instinct is to obfuscate, delay till they die, hum and haw and hope it all somehow goes away with the passage of time.

    The route of full disclosure brings the Irish terror of shame with it. And no-one knows where it would lead so it is doubly terrifying and the only political capital available is to try newer ways of covering it all up.

    One of these days we might see a Taoiseach dabbing an eye in the Oireachtas when speaking of such issues, while quietly continuing as these professional liars do, to be part of the problem rather than the solution.

    Oh-wait... that has already come to pass.


    The route of full disclosure brings the Irish terror of shame with it. And no-one knows where it would lead so it is doubly terrifying and the only political capital available is to try newer ways of covering it all up.

    Zappone was appointed Minister for Children and Youth Affairs on 6 May 2016. Independent Zappone made firm assurances at that time not to upset the status quo (Taoiseach Enda Kenny)...


    Minister for Children and Youth Affairs | dcya.gov.ie 2019


    Zappone, ever the fox, only wanted to look after her political base issues (SSM, Repeal the 8th, and lesser publicised same sex adoption rights... and perhaps an eye on the main chance ~ Aras). Mod Mercurial even commented on Zappone's betrayal of the Tuam children, after getting what she wanted for her political base.


    Government talks: Katherine Zappone in line for junior ministry after supporting Enda Kenny | Irish Examiner



    Unmarried gay and heterosexual couples can now adopt a child - Independent.ie


    Eilish O'Regan

    October 18 2017 2:30 AM


    Gay and heterosexual couples who have been living together for at least three years or gay couples who are in a civil partnership will be able to apply to adopt a child from tomorrow.

    Up to now a couple had to be married to adopt a child together.

    The commencement order for the provisions of the Adoption (Amendment) Act 2017 was signed by Children's Minister Katherine Zappone.

    Parenting LGBT



    Lumpy, another compounding factor for me to demand Minister Katherine Zappone's resignation is ~~~


    The Commission's SECRET HEARINGS, which breach the European Convention of Human Rights to have an effective investigation (Dr Maeve O'Rourke, NUIG recently backed me here).


    I put Zappone on notice (Original Castlepollard orphan thread) regarding the Commission being shrouded in secrecy ... *NOT* ALLOWING any PUBLIC HEARINGS. As I said at the time, Zappone was a Commissioner with the Irish Human Rights Commission (from 2002 - 2012). THEREFORE, MINISTER ZAPPONE KNEW THIS COMMISSION WAS A CROCK.



    #WeKnow

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lumpy Talbot View Post
    You can see a very familiar form of tip-toeing carefully around anything which might prove revelatory by Zappone, her Department and other arms of government.

    Apart from failing to collect redress monies from very wealthy orders, failing to follow up on promised prosecutions in matters arising from the Ryan Commisson Report, covering up the names of those involved in abuses detailed in the latter on the basis of those prosecutions which never arrived, Irish Government activity while not exactly being a byword for alacrity down the years is familiarly glacial in the matter of dealing with the more socially gothic elements of the past.

    Mainly because all these institutions, the Tuam home, the institutions in a lot of cases had members of the politically dynastic on visiting committees and boards and in position where they could have had an effect on the incidence of institutional abuses and did nothing.

    It is the 'good German' stuff where no government of today wants to draw the ire of local councillor and TD families in their party for uncovering an institutional past which could not have happened had their relatives in many cases not been asleep at the wheel in association with local institutional governance at best and negligent and stupid at worst.

    Bear in mind these days you still get a lot of 'political families' who would have a TD or Senator or be active party apparatchiks down the country who would not want the local social history and their family's part in it being brought into the daylight.

    You know that line from Cold Comfort Farm. 'There's something nasty in the kitchen'.

    Always the instinct is to obfuscate, delay till they die, hum and haw and hope it all somehow goes away with the passage of time.

    The route of full disclosure brings the Irish terror of shame with it. And no-one knows where it would lead so it is doubly terrifying and the only political capital available is to try newer ways of covering it all up.

    One of these days we might see a Taoiseach dabbing an eye in the Oireachtas when speaking of such issues, while quietly continuing as these professional liars do, to be part of the problem rather than the solution.

    Oh-wait... that has already come to pass.
    Great post Lumpy.

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