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    Mrs CC

    That's just Mushroom's dysfunctional way of introducing himself.

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    Conall Ó Fátharta (@ococonuts) | Twitter


    Conall Ftharta‏ @ococonuts



    Over three years before DCYA decided St Patrick's Guild was involved in illegal birth registrations and referred cases to the Commission, I wrote this, which in itself was five years after I reported on Tressa Reeves documented case



    Excluded agency 'aware of illegal birth registrations' | Irish Examiner




    The Government excluded an adoption agency from the mother-and-baby home inquiry despite being told almost two years ago that it had knowledge of several hundred illegal birth registrations.

    An Adoption Authority (AAI) delegation told representatives of the Department of Children and the General Register Office (GRO) in June 2013 that St Patricks Guild was aware of several hundred cases of illegal birth registrations, a department note of meeting released under Freedom of Information reveals.

    St Patricks Guild are aware of several hundred illegal registrations but are waiting for people to contact them; they are not seeking the people involved, the note read. Must consider how revelations of this sort would affect a family unit.

    Illegal birth registrations were usually done to facilitate an illegal adoption. No adoption order was made and the child was taken and registered as if born to the adoptive parents.




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    St. Patrick's Guild and Temple Hill


    St. Patrick's Guild was founded in 1910 by Mary Cruice who originally wanted to provide a Catholic alternative to Protestant run fostering services in Dublin. Later however the Guild linked up with the Sisters of Charity and became an adoption society at the command of Archbishop John Charles McQuaid.

    St. Patrick's Guild did not run a mother and baby home. Instead babies were sent to St. Patrick's Infant Hospital, Temple Hill before being adopted. Mothers were not present at Temple Hill and St. Patrick's Guild have been very uncooperative in providing information about what conditions were like in the hospital, though we have a scanned copy of the feeding/vaccination records kept which was donated by an adopted person. There were also babies in Temple Hill who were adopted through agencies other than St. Patrick's Guild.

    St. Patrick's Guild was involved in the secret export of 572 children to the US for adoption from the 1940's to the 1970's, which was more than any other adoption agency.

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    irishfirstmothers.blogspot.com/2019/01/mother-and-baby-homes-delay-adds-insult.html


    MOTHER AND BABY HOMES DELAY ADDS INSULT TO INJURY

    "Judge Murphy surely knew quite some time ago that this deadline would be missed," comments Fintan Dunne, media liaison for Irish First Mothers.

    "So why didn't either the judge or the Minister inform leaders of the survivor community long before now? They were led to believe that some closure awaited survivors this Spring. This betrayal is devastating for them."

    "This is a grossly incompetent Commission. It's inquiries should have been structured to produce a timely first report based on a representative sample of cases. That way an informed response by government could already be underway. Instead, the original injury is being constantly layered with further insults."


    Fintan Dunne, media liaison for Irish First Mothers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catalpast View Post
    Its basically unaffordable - another reason why we should be careful on what we sign up to in International Agreements!


    I would like more details on below. I believe families (single parents) should be given help to stay together as a family unit.


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    Revealed: Social worker was paid €307,000 in one year

    Revealed: Social worker was paid ‚307,000 in one year - Independent.ie


    Mark O'Regan

    February 26 2017 2:30 AM



    Five social workers were each paid more than €370,000 to represent children in court - with one earning €307,000 in a single year.

    Guardians ad litem are appointed by a judge to protect the best interests of children who have been taken into the State's care.

    It is understood there are currently about 65 designated guardians ad litem, often called 'GALs', operating in the State.

    Tusla, the Child and Family Agency, spent €15.2m on GAL services in 2016.




    Twelve individuals and agencies acting as guardians to children in childcare court proceedings each received more than €100,000 from Tusla last year. [2016]

    Two GALs both shared a payment pot of €304,036 in 2016. Records show they earned €486,489 and €403,509 respectively in the past three years for their work representing the interests of children in court proceedings.

    Another GAL earned €307,465 in 2015.

    In total, that individual has received payments of €528,942 from Tusla since 2014.

    Records show five social workers have each received more than €370,000 since 2014 to represent children in court.

    Barnardos is the largest and longest-established national guardian ad litem service in Ireland, having received more than €10m in GAL payments since 2014.

    In 2016, the children's charity was paid €3.1m, while in 2015 it received €3.8m.

    In 2014, the figure stood at €3m.

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    Agency in Adoption Scandal ST PATRICK'S GUILD (INC)l Enters Voluntary Liquidation







    By Conall O'Fatharta


    The former adoption agency at the centre of the illegal adoptions scandal has gone into voluntary liquidation ~ just months after hundreds of illegal birth registrations were found in its files.

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    https://www.facebook.com/groups/avoiceforfirstmothers/


    Fintan Dunne

    5 January at 14:53


    GOVERNMENT OFFERING FINANCIAL INDUCEMENTS TO TRY DISRUPT MOTHER & BABY HOME GROUPS



    Recently Minister Zappone flew a large group of officials, and people who are on the official Collaborative Forum to Boston for a Transitional Justice event. All stayed with the minister in a luxury Boston hotel.

    Why was it necessary to go to Boston for that conference?

    Because it was a JUNKET, that's why! Junkets are used to buy people off. Were you invited? Could you afford to attend? If the answers to those questions is 'no' then clearly you weren't invited to join the Collaborators Forum.


    It was a junket. I've written about this.



    HOW TO PROTECT AGAINST GOVERNMENT DISRUPTION


    1. ***HOW TO SPOT A STOOGE***


    Disrupters are much more interested in fostering arguments than uniting to achieve the common goal. Their activity will only increase as the publication of the report nears.

    Get rid of disrupters straight away if they are distracting or threatening the unity of the group.

    Only people whose real aim is to destroy your group will insist on arguing at this vital time -with only weeks to go after four long years. Get it?




    2. GOVERNMENT CHEERLEADERS


    Beware of folks who you thought were supporting proper justice, but who suddenly switch and start backing any government proposals which emerge. Singing off a government hymn sheet has been made very financially rewarding for those with no conscience.




    3. THE OLD DIVIDE AND CONQUER


    Besides simple sowing of division, another key tactic for the disrupters will be to try split groups into two: with one half backing any government proposals and the others holding firm. If they can split groups in half then they will have halved their opposition. Hold firm to your demands. Don't let the stooges water them down.




    @Fintan Dunne


    Good tips on *HOW TO SPOT A STOOGE.*


    MAIN CHANCERS ~~~


    I can remember my grandfather (a Kerry man) scornfully talking about people with an eye for the "main chance," and naming them.


    Minister for Children Katherine Zappone has one notable MAIN CHANCER, with a foot in both camps, who devotedly sings Zappone's praises.

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    Listen to the video:

    Resignations Demanded Over Mother Baby Homes Delay - YouTube



    'Resignations Demanded (MINISTER FOR CHILDREN KATHERINE ZAPPONE AND JUSTICE YVONNE MURPHY) Over Mother & Baby Homes Delay'



    Irish First Mothers
    Published on Jan 10, 2019


    Minister Zappone and Judge Murphy should both consider their position says Fintan Dunne of First Mothers with Angela Faul on CRCFM. Survivors of Ireland's Mother and Baby homes are distraught and angry following a news report that the judge leading a Commission of Investigation into 14 such homes has requested an additional year to issue her final report -currently due by mid-February 2019.


    Fintan Dunne shared a link.

    9 January at 09:36


    *IRISH ELITE BETRAYAL IN BID TO DELAY MOTHER AND BABY HOMES REPORT FOR A YEAR*


    The Commission of Investigation into Mother and Baby Homes ~ already running for four years ~ will next week ask Government for yet another year to finish its report, according to the Irish Times.


    The news comes as a bolt from the blue -with only weeks to go until the promised mid-February publication date ~ which was already delayed by two years.


    It is also bizarre and unbelievable that those affected were not forewarned. We should be hearing of this from Zappone - not reading it in the newspapers!


    The incompetence and insensitivity is appalling. This Government does not care a whit for the community of those affected to treat them with such callous disregard.


    Any further delay is totally UNACCEPTABLE.


    Publish what we have now and follow up with an addendum if required. We have waited far too long already. More later
    .




    News about Commission of Investigation into Mother and Baby Homes requesting yet another year's extension is leaked to the Irish Times ~

    Mother and baby homes commission seeks extension to finish report

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarryPlough01 View Post
    Listen to the video:

    Resignations Demanded Over Mother Baby Homes Delay - YouTube



    'Resignations Demanded (MINISTER FOR CHILDREN KATHERINE ZAPPONE AND JUSTICE YVONNE MURPHY) Over Mother & Baby Homes Delay'



    Irish First Mothers
    Published on Jan 10, 2019






    Fintan Dunne shared a link.

    9 January at 09:36


    *IRISH ELITE BETRAYAL IN BID TO DELAY MOTHER AND BABY HOMES REPORT FOR A YEAR*


    The Commission of Investigation into Mother and Baby Homes ~ already running for four years ~ will next week ask Government for yet another year to finish its report, according to the Irish Times.


    The news comes as a bolt from the blue -with only weeks to go until the promised mid-February publication date ~ which was already delayed by two years.


    It is also bizarre and unbelievable that those affected were not forewarned. We should be hearing of this from Zappone - not reading it in the newspapers!


    The incompetence and insensitivity is appalling. This Government does not care a whit for the community of those affected to treat them with such callous disregard.


    Any further delay is totally UNACCEPTABLE.


    Publish what we have now and follow up with an addendum if required. We have waited far too long already. More later
    .




    News about Commission of Investigation into Mother and Baby Homes requesting yet another year's extension is leaked to the Irish Times ~

    Mother and baby homes commission seeks extension to finish report
    They know they are going to open a can of worms, they're a only trying to soften the blow and prolonging the inevitable, allow Justice to be served, release the documents and allow the public to see the evidence, let the people be the judge.

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    Minister for Children Katherine Zappone must step down... To restore public confidence, Chair of Commission into Mother and Baby Homes should be someone INDEPENDENT from outside Ireland...



    Quote Originally Posted by Killpatrick View Post
    They know they are going to open a can of worms, they're a only trying to soften the blow and prolonging the inevitable, allow Justice to be served, release the documents and allow the public to see the evidence, let the people be the judge.

    Kilpatrick,


    Thank you. A quick reply...


    Founder Irish First Mothers Kathy McMahon's counterpart in Oz asked: 'Why not agree to the Commission's request to have an extension, as they granted one in Oz Royal Commission?' However, Australian Brenda Coughlan doesn't understand that Irish politics is rotten to the core and, since 1922, Church and State have worked hand in glove together.


    In Oz, Labor Prime Minister Julia Gilliard was put under considerable pressure to have the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse (*Royal Commission announced November 2012*).


    https://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/im...Appendix_1.pdf


    'A nation that doesn't protect its children isn't fit to be a nation' Nelson Mandela


    http://www.forgottenaustralians.com/...essinreply.pdf



    AND a brilliant Chair was appointed in Justice Peter McClellan.



    AND FURTHER, unlike the Commission of Investigation into Mother and Baby Homes, the Oz Royal Commission was not shrouded in secrecy and allowed 57 public hearings:


    Case studies | Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse


    The Royal Commission held 57 formal public hearings during which it heard evidence about child sexual abuse within institutions, from 1,200 witnesses over 400 days of hearings, across all Australian capital cities and in several regional areas. These case studies focused on how institutions have responded to allegations and proven instances of child sexual abuse.


    The Royal Commission was not a court of law and could not make decisions about criminal matters. Rather, the Commissioners delivered recommendations based on what they learned during public hearing. Visit individual case study pages to view the findings, witness lists, transcripts, exhibits, images and associated submissions.


    The Royal Commission's Interim Report (Vols 1 & 2) was indeed voluminous (Published 30 June 2014) ~


    https://www.childabuseroyalcommissio...t_volume-1.pdf

    https://www.childabuseroyalcommissio...t_volume_2.pdf



    Issues Papers | Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse



    The Royal Commission released 11 issues papers on topics related to our work. This provided organisations and individuals with the opportunity to contribute to our consideration of systemic issues. Issues included the provision of advocacy and support and therapeutic treatment services, experiences of police and prosecution responses to reports of child sexual abuse, and preventing child sexual abuse in out-of-home care.

    Our policy processes were strengthened by the high number of detailed submissions to these papers. We received over 1,000 submissions, the majority of which were published on the Royal Commission website.

    Issues paper 1: Working With Children Check
    Issues paper 2: Towards Healing
    Issues paper 3: Child safe institutions
    Issues paper 4: Preventing sexual abuse of children in out-of-home care
    Issues paper 5: Civil litigation
    Issues paper 6: Redress schemes
    Issues paper 7: Statutory victims of crime compensation schemes
    Issues paper 8: Experiences of police and prosecution responses
    Issues paper 9: Addressing the risk of child sexual abuse in primary and secondary schools
    Issues paper 10: Advocacy and support and therapeutic treatment services
    Issues paper 11: Catholic Church final hearing


    Other reports | Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse


    Other reports

    Early in the inquiry it became apparent that some issues should be reported on before the inquiry was complete to give survivors and institutions more certainty on these issues and enable governments and institutions to implement our recommendations as soon as possible. Consequently, we submitted the following reports:

    Criminal justice
    Criminal justice | Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse

    Redress and civil litigation
    Redress and civil litigation | Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse

    Working With Children Checks
    Working With Children Checks | Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse


    Royal Commission's *Final Report* (Published December 2017) ~ with links ~
    Final report | Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse




    IN STARK CONTRAST TO ^ ^ ^ THE ROYAL COMMISSION'S TRANSPARENCY ~~~


    The Commission of Investigation into Mother and Baby Homes refused to have public hearings.



    Dr Maeve O'Rourke, newly appointed lecturer in Human Rights NUI Galway, recently stated on the Tortoise Shack:



    Really need a change in the procedures of all investigations into State malpractice.

    Having private Investigations/Inquiries [COMMISSION OF INVESTIGATION INTO MOTHER AND BABY HOMES, MCALEESE INQUIRY] where victims AND next of kin can't even see evidence being examined, can't comment on it, can't give judge or investigator questions to ask. It appears to be entirely contrary to your right to an effective investigation under European Convention of Human Rights.

    By design not to deal with historic scandal after historic scandal.

    NOT ALL HEARINGS HAVE TO BE IN PUBLIC. EVERYTHING SHOULD NOT BE IN PRIVATE {E.G., COMMISSION OF INVESTIGATION INTO MOTHER AND BABY HOMES).

    People can't get into court. So government do their own kind of Inquiry OUTSIDE OF COURT, which it actually uses to gather up and bury all evidence.

    Things should be in national archives.

    Greater access to Justice is really key. For people in institutionalised settings, access to advocacy is essential in order to then make your way to go into court with a lawyer. These are basic foundations of democracy - access to Justice, Rule of Law, and we are hugely lacking in Ireland.

    Further activist solicitor Kevin Higgins stated on Broadsheet on the Telly Episode 75:



    Now if you look at the provisions of the section of the 2004 Commission of Investigation Act, you will find it is designed to do anything but find the truth. And it specifically forbidsI [Latin expression] the use of any evidence given in public or private for use in any criminal investigation. So if a nun had gone into the Commission of Investigation in her zimmer-frame and said "I'm awfully sorry but in 1949 I picked up a child, swung it round by the legs, bashed its head off walls in the old workhouse, and died." She can not be prosecuted.



    Well one of the wonderful things about the Commission of Investigation procedure is that all evidence is in secret (technically "in Private"). All evidence gathered by the Commission is confidential. If you, John [Ryan], had been a [child] survivor of the home and had some residual memories and went to the Commission of Investigation and made a statement, which would have been recorded both by a stenographer, and an audio recording made… under the terms of the Act, they will not give you a copy of your own evidence. They refuse it. They have refused it. So, you can see this is a rather unsatisfactory process.




    STARRY:



    I am on record way back as stating that I have no confidence in Minister for Children Katherine Zappone and Chair Justice Yvonne Murphy. At this late juncture, we need to have an *INDEPENDENT Chair from outside Ireland* to restore public confidence. We need to have public hearings and greater accountability.



    Minister for Children Katherine Zappone must immediately step down and allow another to fill her space in the status quo. Minister Zappone is also responsible for the train wreck body of Tusla (child protection agency).





    ______________


    @POLITICIANS


    Doubtless we will hear and / or read the politicians' usual inefficacious speeches in the Dail next week. HOWEVER I ASK THAT YOU TURN THE PAGE AND HAVE THE INTEGRITY AND COURAGE TO UNEQUIVOCALLY STATE THAT THE MINISTER FOR CHILDREN KATHERINE ZAPPONE MUST IMMEDIATELY RESIGN. Put this on record.




    Irish First Mothers Fintan Dunne calls for resignations:

    Castlepollard Exclusion From Commission on Mother and Baby Homes INQUIRY. (Second Thread) - Page 93
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    To be honest, I don't think we'll ever see Justice it goes too deep and dark, it's been going on for too long and there's too many involved, the church and the state are tied in knots and they don't know what to do about it they fear the truth, so there is a major cover-up, and their solution is to close the files for 75 years, talk about kicking the can down the Road, the Irish government and the church seem to be above the law in Ireland they will deny Justice at all costs, because the truth is catastrophic.

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