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    Left wing: Take over Nama's properties and build out.

    Right wing: 5 year contracts for all public servants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Parlon View Post
    I think most of us know that the terms "left wing" and "right wing" are less than perfect and most of us simultaneously hold views that are left wing and right wing (at least if you're not a extremist ideologue, I suppose). To illustrate this one need only consider one's own most "left" and "right" wing stance/opinion. Perhaps it will make for interesting reading and serve to illustrate the point I'm making?

    My most "left-wing" opinion:
    For non-elective health issues, your ability to pay or not pay should not impact the quality of health care you receive.

    My most "right-wing" opinion:
    Porous borders, demographic decline and an unwillingness to mount a muscular defence of Western values pose a short-to-medium term existential risk to a liberal, secure and prosperous Europe.

    Et toi?
    I see you got the door open to the barber shop. Looking good.

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    political abuse of language
    Words have such power to complicate things.

    Definitions of terms used in politics can be confusing, divisive and antithetical to empowerment.

    The words left-wing and right-wing are great examples of this. Clearly there is a lack of consensus as to what these words mean if someone like Hilary Clinton is labelled a socialist or a leftist as a criticism. Or others adopt one of these terms for themselves when their actions contradict this (e.g. Dirty Bertie calling himself a socialist in a Mark Brennock interview in 2004).

    there are lots of examples of political abuse of language: Ian Paisley (or any of the DUP), a democrat? really?
    Angela Merkel a Christian or a democrat ? how exactly?

    Who decides the limits?
    You kinda have undermined your own by your past criticism here of what you call "extremists". So, someone is categorised as "left wing" and "right wing" but can also be an extremist. Is that an left wing extremist and/or right wing extremist? Are they both equally abhorrent? Are they essentially the same? Who gets to decide? Why them? Jesus this politics thing is hard to do. I'm terrified to say the wrong thing.

    Whose Democracy is it Anyway!?
    Would a better question not be whether you are in favour of accountability of decision-makers?

    Which leads me to the EU.

    You find any criticism of the EU unpalatable.

    What better way for people to have democratic openness in a society than to have sovereign nation-states?

    The EU is controlled by the EU Commission, an unelected body.

    If the EU was a state looking to join the EU, it would not be considered for accession, according to its own criteria.

    The inadequacy of terms like left and right can be seen in practice in the European Union. The Corporatist Labour Relations at the heart of the EU project are often seen as left-wing by many, supporters and critics alike.

    For political Progressives like yourself, having a central role for organised labour in the machinery of the capitalist state is commendable.
    But how restricted workers' representatives have become negotiating increases in wages in a otherwise utterly unequal set of structures.

    Small states in Europe are subjected vassals, tied to global elite vested interests via mechanisms of control and coordination derived from the Bretton Woods system at the end of World War II. The centralisation of political power makes control of populations easier.
    How much more right-wing can you get??!

    Who elects the IBECs of the EU?
    Who elects the Chambers of Commerce of the EU?
    who elects the Davos World Economic Forums ?

    while I'm asking . . . tell me?
    Who elects the Ecclesiastical Hierarchy?
    Who elects the Irish Times board?

    It does no good to simply angrily denounce EU Critics as (and I quote) Continuity IRA C unts

    The arrogance and short-sightedness of Western elites and their supporters may be their undoing. A continued popular underpinning of Liberalism in society is predicated on its capacity to serve a function. With the rise of populism (both left and right) things you hold dear, Mr. Parlon, like separation of powers might not be guaranteed indefinitely.

    You might be coming back to this thread at a much later date and expressing a desire for left-wing features that today are just simply taken for granted.
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    My most "left-wing" opinion: ALLahu Akbar

    My most "right-wing" opinion: Allahu AkbaRR

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Parlon View Post
    I think most of us know that the terms "left wing" and "right wing" are less than perfect and most of us simultaneously hold views that are left wing and right wing (at least if you're not a extremist ideologue, I suppose). To illustrate this one need only consider one's own most "left" and "right" wing stance/opinion. Perhaps it will make for interesting reading and serve to illustrate the point I'm making?

    My most "left-wing" opinion:
    For non-elective health issues, your ability to pay or not pay should not impact the quality of health care you receive.

    My most "right-wing" opinion:
    Porous borders, demographic decline and an unwillingness to mount a muscular defence of Western values pose a short-to-medium term existential risk to a liberal, secure and prosperous Europe.

    Et toi?
    They both involve murder if that's any use to you?
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    Left/Right politics is a role-playing game.

    Present a fact based argument and defend that argument on the merit of those facts.

    If you can't do that, then you're just playing games.
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    Left wing: Open borders to anyone who actually wants to live in Ireland

    Right Wing: Exile criminals.
    If you were wrong, how would you know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The OD View Post
    Both rather outdated and irrelevant labels in this day and age. However, I will play this rather inane game and say I would be considered, by some, 'right wing' when it comes to crime and 'left wing' when it comes to healthcare although I think neither designations are at all accurate.

    Go far enough left or right and you arrive at the same point - despotism.
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    Left wing, free universal healthcare.

    Right wing, free education for all.
    Put a thief among honest men and they will eventually relieve him of his watch. Flann O'Brien

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    Right wing: Punishment should fit the crime.
    Left Wing: as above, but for white collar crime
    Belofte maakt schuld.

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