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Thread: The Case Against Frances Black’s Boycott Bill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dame_Enda View Post
    The ECJ is the final authority on interpreting EU law. This will likely end up back there again.
    And next year, probably even as soon as this mid year, they will decide on a new deal with Morocco, and ignore, yet again the ECJ.

    It seems that the EU parliament does what it wants.
    The book totally contradicts any post-modern theory claiming a “Palestinian heritage,” or Palestinian nation. https://palestineisraelconflict.word...-palestinians/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dame_Enda View Post
    The only part of her article I agree with is where she acknowledges our support for Palestine is in part because of our history as a colony and supporting other anti colonial movements...
    It may be a factor, though I personally strongly suspect that it is most often a self-justification or cover for other more base sentiments.

    But even granting it as true, it is completely mis-guided. - Here is a very good article that highlights just how misguided:

    Colonialist mentality in the Israel-Arab conflict - Blogs - Jerusalem Post

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    Quote Originally Posted by roc_ View Post
    It may be a factor, though I personally strongly suspect that it is most often a self-justification or cover for other more base sentiments.

    But even granting it as true, it is completely mis-guided. - Here is a very good article that highlights just how misguided:

    Colonialist mentality in the Israel-Arab conflict - Blogs - Jerusalem Post
    The Irish were also victims of massacres and religious persecutions for centuries but that would not entitle us to do the things Israel is doing to the Palestinians. For some peoples, victimhood engenders empathy. But for others it engenders a feeling of not having to listen to others on account of past victimhood. We saw in Milosevic's Serbia how past victimhood can be abused to spread head and ethnic persecution in the Bosnian and Kosovo wars. I think its the same situation with Israel.
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    The IRA, RIRA, and other organisations come to mind when dame enda tries to ignore history.

    Not to mention the pro-nazi policies of Ireland during WWII and the statue of Rusell.

    And of course the support for the BLO and their atrocities.
    The book totally contradicts any post-modern theory claiming a “Palestinian heritage,” or Palestinian nation. https://palestineisraelconflict.word...-palestinians/

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    Quote Originally Posted by yanshuf View Post
    The IRA, RIRA, and other organisations come to mind when dame enda tries to ignore history.

    Not to mention the pro-nazi policies of Ireland during WWII and the statue of Rusell.

    And of course the support for the BLO and their atrocities.
    Do the "pro Nazi policies" include taking away Eduard Hempel (the German ambassador)'s radio, the arrest of German agent Hermann Goertz (who kill himself during arrest), the interning of Axis soldiers who ended up in Ireland while Allied ones were allowed go free?
    Repeal the Fakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dame_Enda View Post
    Do the "pro Nazi policies" include taking away Eduard Hempel (the German ambassador)'s radio, the arrest of German agent Hermann Goertz (who kill himself during arrest), the interning of Axis soldiers who ended up in Ireland while Allied ones were allowed go free?
    Dont bother. They have a script. The accuracy of saod script is irrelevant

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dame_Enda View Post
    Do the "pro Nazi policies" include taking away Eduard Hempel (the German ambassador)'s radio, the arrest of German agent Hermann Goertz (who kill himself during arrest), the interning of Axis soldiers who ended up in Ireland while Allied ones were allowed go free?
    The fact that some Irish policies were against the nazis doesn't extenuate Irish collaboration with the nazis (in an attempt to show a neutral face).

    Collaboration between the IRA and Abwehr during World War II ranged in intensity between 1937–1943 and ended permanently around 1944, when defeat of the Axis forces was seen as probable.
    The Irish Republican Army (IRA), a paramilitary group seeking to remove Northern Ireland from the United Kingdom and unify Ireland, shared intelligence with the Abwehr, the military intelligence service of Nazi Germany.
    Irish Republican Army – Abwehr collaboration in World War II - Wikipedia

    A phantom hangs over Ireland’s relations with Hitler’s Germany. Since Eamon de Valera’s visit to the Third Reich’s minister to Ireland on 2 May 1945, the spectre of pro-Nazism has dogged Ireland’s reputation. De Valera’s condolences on the suicide of the German head of state, Adolf Hitler, spawned immediate international condemnation. He gifted his critics all the ammunition that they desired to stigmatise Ireland.
    The notorious character and conduct of Charles Bewley, the Irish minister to Germany in the 1930s, would appear to substantiate this unkind depiction. Arriving in Berlin in July 1933 after Hitler’s seizure of power, he betrayed a lack of professionalism time after time. Disturbing signs of his anti-Semitism, dogmatic Anglophobia and insolence are clear throughout his career from the early 1920s. After 1933 he engaged in an unashamed charm offensive to curry favour with the Nazi regime. During his accreditation ceremony with President von Hindenburg, Bewley referred to the “national rebirth of Germany” in an unconcealed endorsement of Nazism. During his tenure, he recurrently endorsed Nazism as a safeguard against the expansion of Soviet Communism. He downplayed or apologised for the reprehensible Nazi regime’s negative features such as the persecution of Jews, the suppression of Christianity and its aggressive expansionism.
    Ireland and the Nazis: a troubled history
    The book totally contradicts any post-modern theory claiming a “Palestinian heritage,” or Palestinian nation. https://palestineisraelconflict.word...-palestinians/

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    But you said policies, which stem from government.

    So you were lying. Again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yanshuf View Post
    The fact that some Irish policies were against the nazis doesn't extenuate Irish collaboration with the nazis (in an attempt to show a neutral face).



    Irish Republican Army – Abwehr collaboration in World War II - Wikipedia





    Ireland and the Nazis: a troubled history
    The IRA was illegal in Ireland at that time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dame_Enda View Post
    The IRA was illegal in Ireland at that time.
    There has always a been a deviant minority in the south who actively supported the IRA, just as there has always been a deviant minority of peasant minded Jew-baiters (with a substantial cross-over) in this country. Recall the king of the "peasants", Charles Haughey was sacked from the cabinet for his involvement in a gun running scheme for the IRA. The point anyway briefly reading the above is that while the IRA were outreaching to Nazi Germany, the concurrent policy of DeValera's government was demonstrably in close sympathy.

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