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Thread: Did outsourcing of cancer testing sentence a woman with cervical cancer to death?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disillusioned democrat View Post
    Indeed Leo being very liberal with tax payers money considering many of the audits and decisions were made when he was just moving on from Health on his relentless campaignforleo...probably wasn't too interested in the petty details of healthcare by then
    What evidence do you have that Leo has any input into the amount of money awarded to individuals? Do you think he told them to give her a huge amount of money to shut her up and keep the public happy? Don't you think that if he tried to pull something like that it would have leaked and he would be in big trouble?
    As to the liberal use of taxpayers money this is speculation as nobody knows the full facts of Emma Mhic Mhathúna's case. How does anyone know that her screens weren't especially negligent beyond the normal rates of error? and didn't she have 2 screens misread?
    It's hard to draw conclusions about her large award without those kind of details.
    Isn't the enquiry into the individual cases going to give some more answers?
    You are right about the legal fees though if they are 700k for the state then that is crazy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wombat View Post
    There is zero chance of that cartel being broken up, the only one who attempted change was Shatter and we saw what a few well placed leaks to willing hacks did to him.
    Yes looks like they won't be taken on. Thing is that FF have Jim O'Callaghan in shadow Justice and the message is loud and clear
    "you have nothing to fear from us boys as I am one of your own too".
    I think there is a big appetite among the public to have this cartel taken down and no political party seems interested. There is an opportunity there for SF but they don't appear to see it.
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    As if it wasnt enough that some politicans and media were egging on the hysteria our esteemed President got involved too and invited Emma Mc Mathina to tea at the Aras.
    She got non stop publicity and no one had the gus to say wait for the tesults of the enquiry to find out if there was a problem with the testing.
    There was no problem so the two awards should now be teviewed. You cant give one person seven million and then tell someone equally affected, sorry, the State has no lisbility because cervicalcheck did what it was set up to do and smear testing is an unreliable tool.
    We have such ifiots for politicans and the two people who understood whete the hysteria was leading were left teally with no choice but to resign.

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    Scally absolutely scathing on the voluntary open disclosure. Serious questions for Leo and CMO Tony Holohan to answer now given their decision to make it voluntary.

    “The HSE’s open disclosure policy and HSE/SCA guidelines should be revised as a matter of urgency. The revised policies must reflect the primacy of the right of patients to have full knowledge about their healthcare as and when they so wish and, in particular, their right to be informed about any failings in that care process, however and whenever they may arise”

    Former HSE DG Tony O'brien of course made a retirement video clapping himself on the back for introducing this dogs dinner.

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    And where are the consultants going to get the time to sit down and go through every bit of Maggies treatment with her. Are they meant to find a room somewhere to sit down with people while another patient is in serious danger of kicking the bucket.
    I think Scally needs a reality check and needs to spend a couple of nights in Beaumonts A and E department. He will see consultants, Doctors and nurses running from one smoking obese patient to the other. The staff are completely burned out and chock and block with paper already and now Doctors and Consultants are supposed to have time to stand beside not beds, but trollies explaining to people what each and every bit of health care provided means.

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    Tony O'Brien in his retirement video may 2018 :

    “While we still have quite a way to go, there has been considerable progress in important areas such as for example the establishment of the National Women and Infants’ Health Programme; the e-health and electronic health records programme; the development of a long-awaited new architecture for ICT and logistics, the introduction of the Open Disclosure Policy and how we respond today in comparison to the past when things go wrong.

    Dr Gabriel Scally :
    “The HSE’s open disclosure policy and HSE/SCA guidelines should be revised as a matter of urgency. The revised policies must reflect the primacy of the right of patients to have full knowledge about their healthcare as and when they so wish and, in particular, their right to be informed about any failings in that care process, however and whenever they may arise”


    How much were we paying O'brien again ?

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    Neither Tony O Brien or Doctor Graiine Flannelly should have resigned over this but no one wanted to calm down and listen long enough to hear what they had to say. You cant compete with twitter nonsense and this is what politics is in this country now.
    Leo in particular should have known the limits of cancer screening and stood behind Doctor Flanelly. In losing her we have lost a dedicated expert in cervicalcancer and Irish women need people of her calibre. She was hung out to dry.
    Leo has committed ten million of our taxpayers money to two people but Leo and Fine Gael arent affected by public waiting lists, they probably all have private health insurance so are seen immediately.

    Doctor Scally had nothing else to do but listen to women talk about their individual experience of the health service. Consultants are extremely busy and in an ideal world they should have time for individual patients, they barely have fime to do rounds and they also have fsmilies to take care of. Tony O Brien ran the entire Health Service so he was probably working fourteen hours a day too. Why shouldnt he use his retirement speech to point to HSE improvements, he owed it to HSE staff to point out the value of their work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buttercookie View Post
    Neither Tony O Brien or Doctor Graiine Flannelly should have resigned over this but no one wanted to calm down and listen long enough to hear what they had to say. You cant compete with twitter nonsense and this is what politics is in this country now.
    Leo in particular should have known the limits of cancer screening and stood behind Doctor Flanelly. In losing her we have lost a dedicated expert in cervicalcancer and Irish women need people of her calibre. She was hung out to dry.
    Leo has committed ten million of our taxpayers money to two people but Leo and Fine Gael arent affected by public waiting lists, they probably all have private health insurance so are seen immediately.

    Doctor Scally had nothing else to do but listen to women talk about their individual experience of the health service. Consultants are extremely busy and in an ideal world they should have time for individual patients, they barely have fime to do rounds and they also have fsmilies to take care of. Tony O Brien ran the entire Health Service so he was probably working fourteen hours a day too. Why shouldnt he use his retirement speech to point to HSE improvements, he owed it to HSE staff to point out the value of their work.
    Leo does know the limitation of the tests, but that wasn’t the issue, the problem was the completely farcical way the HSE managed the communication of known errors in the process at a time when Leo was Minister for Health, so basically Leo just wanted this to go away so he could get on with campaignforLeo, the money thrown at the victims matters nought to Varadkar, nor the suffereing, nor the joke of a helpline they created, just that it won’t interfere with his sociopathic career plan.
    The more things change....

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    Quote Originally Posted by wombat View Post
    Something else for the HSE to f..up?
    the HSE used to run the tests until the government decided to privatise them - the ******************************-up happened not by the HSE but after privatisation.

    The HSE is now negotiating to renew the contract with the private companies that ******************************ed-up - except they are demanding that the government indemnify them against the next time they ******************************-up - and the government will agree (because the ideology of privatisation trumps the welfare of patients) - it is utter madness.
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