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    Unusual about Gabbard is that she is very much foreign-policy focused.

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    Good article on Elizabeth Warren's populist anti-corruption campaign.

    "Goldman Sachs handed Gary Cohn over a quarter of a billion dollars on his way out the door to become the head of President Trump’s National Economic Council. A quarter of a billion dollars to help quarterback a tax package that included giveaways worth just over a quarter of a billion to Goldman—in the first quarter of 2018 alone.”

    The Trump Administration, Warren said, “has given us the most nakedly corrupt leadership this nation has seen in our lifetimes. But they are not the cause of the rot—they’re just the biggest, stinkiest example of it."
    The Expert Efficiency of Elizabeth Warren’s Populist Campaign | The New Yorker
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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    Why was AOC the only Congressman to be booed by Republicans when she voted for Nacncy Pelosi as for Speaker?

    Republicans have tweeted about where she was born, what she wears, where she went to school, how she dances ... if there ever was a derangement syndrome, this is it.

    And, being true to form, ReTrumplicans then lie about the whole thing.



    (Scarry is a conservative reporter with the Washington Examiner. He eventually deleted the Tweet.)

    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez clothes criticized by conservative author - Business Insider
    So still nothing to back up the claim that the dancing video scandalized conservatives and the GOP as Cortez and the media claimed ? But no one has come up with one example or quote to back this up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    Why was AOC the only Congressman to be booed by Republicans when she voted for Nacncy Pelosi as for Speaker?

    Republicans have tweeted about where she was born, what she wears, where she went to school, how she dances ... if there ever was a derangement syndrome, this is it.

    And, being true to form, ReTrumplicans then lie about the whole thing.



    (Scarry is a conservative reporter with the Washington Examiner. He eventually deleted the Tweet.)

    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez clothes criticized by conservative author - Business Insider

    I seriously don't know which is creepier, a Hill staffer stalking her at work, taking pictures of her ass, or a jackass "reporter" trying to make news that her clothes weren't bought in a charity shop (therefore she is a fraud).

    She's great, a breath of fresh air, her vibrancy, age, sex and politics are freaking out the pompous misogynist fraud Lindsay Graham set.

    The comparison with Palin is ludicrous.
    She's very bright academically and intellectually
    Her politics will never be mainstream American (too compassionate and unselfish for starters) but she isn't a vacuous bimbo freak show.

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    One problem the progressive Dems have is that a lot of their likely candidates are strong on one area but weak on others.

    Gabbard is strong on foreign policy but has a poor record on LGBT issues. Warren is strong on Wall Street and finance issues but not great when she veers off that territory. Bernie is great on healthcare and minimum wage type issues but outside of that can struggle...and, well, he's well into his 70s.

    Together they'd make a great front bench alternative Cabinet in a European-style parlimentary system. But that's not the US system, for good or ill.

    The establishment Dems - Biden, Booker, Gillibrand et al - aren't a very impressive bunch tbh, no bland opportunist corporate Democrat is going to ignite the voters in 2020.

    I've not seen enough of Harris or Klobuchar to make an informed assesment of where they sit. I have a suspicion O'Rourke is a show-pony without much substance (just a gut-instinct thing), and anyway he doesn't have enough relevant experience.

    I still think we might see a dark horse emerge that isn't on anybody's radar right now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYCKY View Post
    Democratic Rep Tulsi Gabbard had thrown her hat into the ring.


    https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...nt-run-1098629




    Sounds like she is getting in early to avoid the rush.

    IMO one to watch and one that could make a very attractive VP option.
    She is staking out her patch for a more serious run maybe 2024/2028

    She will fizzle out this time I think.

    But yes she could go places - eventually.
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    Most of the criticism of Cortez has come from her side.

    Some lawmakers with ties to Ocasio-Cortez are hoping to coax her into using her star power to unite Democrats and turn her fire on Republicans. Others simultaneously warn Ocasio-Cortez is destined for a lonely, ineffectual career in Congress if she continues to treat her own party as the enemy.
    So far, most of them have kept their criticism of Ocasio-Cortez private, fearful she’ll sic her massive following on them by firing off a tweet. But a few are engaging with her in the hopes she’ll opt for a different M.O., especially when it comes to trying to take out Democrats in primaries.


    She needs to decide: Does she want to be an effective legislator or just continue being a Twitter star?" one House Democrat described as being in "lockstep" with Ocasio-Cortez policy-wise .
    https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...isment-1093728



    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ism/ar-BBS7lWk

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    Quote Originally Posted by Betson View Post
    And why not? They are a political party, not an unquestioning cult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Betson View Post
    That is not what you claimed. You claimed ReTrumplicans were innocent.

    I think AOC needs to focus a bit more, and filter out the noise. When a non-white woman, or even a woman, or even a non-white person, shakes up the system, she can only expect to be pilloried. And some upholders of the system will be on the same team as her.

    This paragraph perfectly explains why everyone in DC is so afraid of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

    AOC is out of place a bit on this thread, but I mentioned her because she symbolises a new Democratic party, younger and feistier. Which is what the US wants and needs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Walsh View Post
    I seriously don't know which is creepier, a Hill staffer stalking her at work, taking pictures of her ass, or a jackass "reporter" trying to make news that her clothes weren't bought in a charity shop (therefore she is a fraud).

    She's great, a breath of fresh air, her vibrancy, age, sex and politics are freaking out the pompous misogynist fraud Lindsay Graham set.

    The comparison with Palin is ludicrous.
    She's very bright academically and intellectually
    Her politics will never be mainstream American (too compassionate and unselfish for starters) but she isn't a vacuous bimbo freak show.
    That's the US's problem in a nutshell. The current system is broken. it's not delivering on any level, but a majority of Americans still believe in 'the American Dream' (i.e: make as much money as you can). It's simply unsustainable, but Americans are unable or unwilling to elect reps that can actually enact meaningful change.

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