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    Should the government introduce mandatory drug testing for welfare recipients as a deterrent to drug addiction?

    President Trump has a similar idea in the US.
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    That would be unfair and not terribly productive - how about mandatory drug testing for everybody. It's more important to know that, for example, bus driver X or surgeon Y is using drugs than a welfare recipient. Mind you, I'd also argue for compulsory DNA registration and fingerprinting.

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    drink, drugs, and laziness. Make them sign on early morning, midday, and around 5pm. At separate dole offices.

    ireland has one of the best-paid and softest welfare regimes on the planet. If you disbelieve me, what countries on the planet pay more ? and if you have a problem with ireland's high cost of living...that is also a result of the overly generous welfare regime. Housing crisis = too much dole money chasing working people down the motorway to live in a bog somewhere.

    keep the longterm unemployed away from the pub, paddy power, the park, the telly, ...its not fair them to play while taxpayers are busting a gut.

    people should really have to work for their dole, or maybe be allowed to work while on the dole. And tax levels for the lowly paid (per hour) should be almost invisible.

    the UK benefits cap is good. Its staggeringly derelict of irish policymakers that such an initiative is not in place in ireland.

    the general principle of ''the longer you are on the dole, the tougher the regime gets'' makes a lot of sense. We now have second and third generations of large families where all are living the life of riley on the dole...forever. And reproducing like rabbits. Totally taking the p....ss on the average working citizen.

    the level of the dole should also take account of how employable/ likely earnings somebody is. An unemployed brain-surgeon gets high dole, an unemployed unskilled type with poor work record should get a miserly dole.
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    How about gender-balance in immigration into ireland ? Is it currently 40 blokes arriving for every 1 woman arriving on these shores ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruimh View Post
    That would be unfair and not terribly productive - how about mandatory drug testing for everybody. It's more important to know that, for example, bus driver X or surgeon Y is using drugs than a welfare recipient. Mind you, I'd also argue for compulsory DNA registration and fingerprinting.
    I wonder how the system would react to all solicitors being drugs tested? You know, did anyone suggest that noble solicitor caught in possession in the ‘joy was tested immediately?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cruimh View Post
    That would be unfair and not terribly productive - how about mandatory drug testing for everybody. It's more important to know that, for example, bus driver X or surgeon Y is using drugs than a welfare recipient. Mind you, I'd also argue for compulsory DNA registration and fingerprinting.
    State owned bus companies do exactly that already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spirit Of Newgrange View Post
    drink, drugs, and laziness. Make them sign on early morning, midday, and around 5pm. At separate dole offices.

    keep them away from the pub, paddy power, the park, the telly, ...its not fair them to play while taxpayers are busting a gut.
    It is interesting though - the impression I have is that a fair few addicts start young - before they are eligible for Welfare payments. So testing won't be a deterrent to them starting. And once addicted all that will happen is that they will turn to crime - be it house breaking, pimping, dealing to fund their habits or go on the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dame_Enda View Post
    Should the government introduce mandatory drug testing for welfare recipients as a deterrent to drug addiction?

    President Trump has a similar idea in the US.
    An enormous expensive operation that would tell us what we already know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dame_Enda View Post
    Should the government introduce mandatory drug testing for welfare recipients as a deterrent to drug addiction?

    President Trump has a similar idea in the US.
    Will they be executed if found to have taken drugs?

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    Will they be screening the dole officers to see if they have taken drugs too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by benroe View Post
    An enormous expensive operation that would tell us what we already know.
    And would it be a significant deterrent to addiction?

    I guess it might cut down casual use of softer drugs - but would that be in any way cost effective?

    Would alcohol be included in the testing? The Breathalyser certainly helped reduce drink driving, but it didn't stop it.

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