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    Default Supreme Court decides today on clarification of the Constitutional Rights of the Unborn

    Supreme Court decides today on clarification of the Constitution Rights of the Unborn

    This is a difficult case but at least it should bring some clarification as to what are the Rights of the Unborn

    If they decide that their only Rights are contained in the 8th Amendment

    - then that means if we vote to remove that right from the Constitution

    - the Unborn have no Rights whatsoever within the Constitution

    If on the other hand they decide that they do indeed have Rights under the Constitution outside of the 8th

    - then that means even if the 8th is removed

    - the Unborn still have at least some Rights

    Obviously the Government is hoping the esteemed members of the Bench decide that the only Rights they have are under the 8th

    Lets see how it goes today

    - either way it will be profound.

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    So there it is fellow Citizens:

    Unborn does not have inherent constitutional rights outside right to life

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/0307/94...hts-of-unborn/

    Well certainity is better than uncertainty

    If you vote Yes to remove the 8th

    - you are removing the only Right (& the most fundamental) that the Unborn possess

    - the Right to Life.

    IMO this will make more people vote NO than otherwise.....
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    I fail to see how they could have decided otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catalpast View Post
    So there it is fellow Citizens:

    Unborn does not have inherent constitutional rights outside right to life

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/0307/94...hts-of-unborn/

    Well certainity is better than uncertainty

    If you vote Yes to remove the 8th

    - you are removing the only Right (& the most fundamental) that the Unborn possess

    - the Right to Life.

    IMO this will make more people vote NO than otherwise.....
    Agreed. It means an 8th month old child has no rights despite being a fully formed human being. It is actually quite a callous ruling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Levellers View Post
    I fail to see how they could have decided otherwise.
    They may well be legally correct in their Judgement

    - but that does not change the fact that the Removal of the 8th would be incapable of being challenged in the Courts as being in contradiction to any other part of the Constitution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clanrickard View Post
    Agreed. It means an 8th month old child has no rights despite being a fully formed human being. It is actually quite a callous ruling.
    Yes.

    The Supreme Court ruling appears to completely contradict what the Constitution contains. But the Supreme Court is designated as the ultimate interpreter of our Constitution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clanrickard View Post
    Agreed. It means an 8th month old child has no rights despite being a fully formed human being. It is actually quite a callous ruling.
    Yes - but there is no specific ruling in any other part of the Constitution on the Rights of the Unborn

    From a strictly legal technical viewpoint they could say that there are no specific rights mentioned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catalpast View Post
    So there it is fellow Citizens:

    Unborn does not have inherent constitutional rights outside right to life

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/0307/94...hts-of-unborn/

    Well certainity is better than uncertainty

    If you vote Yes to remove the 8th

    - you are removing the only Right (& the most fundamental) that the Unborn possess

    - the Right to Life.

    IMO this will make more people vote NO than otherwise.....
    It's like government leadership is bloodthirsty at this point..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clanrickard View Post
    Agreed. It means an 8th month old child has no rights despite being a fully formed human being. It is actually quite a callous ruling.
    I don't think it is as callous as you suggest. The unborn child has a constitutional right to life, and immediately acquires all other constitution rights when it is born.

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