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    Default No, Mr President, cold weather in the USA does not challenge GLOBAL warming .....

    This is an old trope that comes up again and again, especially when the President of the USA and most Republican members of Congress deny the reality of climate change.

    Note: Here, "global warming" and "climate change" are will be used interchangeably, as they generally are.

    GLOBAL warming does not mean it will get warmer everywhere all the time. The seasons and the weather will still happen, but will change over the long term.

    Climate = Long Term Weather Statistics (mean temperatures & extremes, mean rainfall & extremes etc etc )

    If climate changes, then weather will over the long term. Climate is the norm or expectation, weather is what you get on a daily basis. If climate is a soccer striker's average goals per game over his mature career to date, weather is what he or she scores in any given match, from 0 goals to 3 or more.

    It is an arduous task to keep track of the weather statistics, but scientists have noted long term weather changes, most noticeably temperatures, even local temperatures.

    This is a good site to track daily global weather, and how parts of the planet are doing with regard to temperature, wind speeds, rainfall etc. Climate Reanalyzer

    Today you can see that, while some of North America is experiencing lower-than-average temperatures, most of the Northern Hemisphere is experiencing higher-than-average temperatures.



    In fact, the Northern Hemisphere as a whole is +1C above the average, or norm, established on a 1979 - 2000 baseline. That +1C is called the temperature anomaly.. Global temperatures are measured by deviations from the norm, or global average.

    So, Mr President, even with your problems over recently published books, there is always a chance for a teachable moment. Thank you for listening.
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    Trump is bigging it up bigly that this is the coldest weather ever. Period!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Levellers View Post
    Trump is bigging it up bigly that this is the coldest weather ever. Period!
    Next, he will be claiming he is responsible.
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    Anthony "the Mouch" Scaramucci claims that Donald Trump's real views on climate "would surprise you".

    I have a feeling he is right.


    Mouch: "Trump does not deny climate change"
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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    Next, he will be claiming he is responsible.
    Wait a minute, you have a thread for this propaganda, why you spreading it around?
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    I’m surprised he’s not claiming to have solved global warming. However the real political problem for global warming is not the deniers but those who are publicly vociferous about the need to do something but in reality avoid doing very much at all. Our leaders for example talk like climate change believers but other than raising taxes do nothing about it. They won’t provide a working public transport system and they won’t do anything to upset dairy farmers.

    Our media spend half their time looking down their nose at Trump and the other half encouraging populist ignorance about cycling.

    Cork city council which has great things to say about climate change is currently trying to develop sites on the river which would simply not survive a rise in sea levels. In reality there is nothing happening on climate change that will actually be effective. If governments did start to introduce the necessary measures we would see the election of more Trumps everywhere.

    Ordinary people who haven’t see real pay increases for a generation are not in a position to pay for the crisis. The people who own the wealth and who have profited from the exploitation of the planet will have to pay. They are the only ones who can. When the Green movement adopts that policy instead of being virtue signaling hectoring scolds then they might start to be taken seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry94. View Post
    I’m surprised he’s not claiming to have solved global warming. However the real political problem for global warming is not the deniers but those who are publicly vociferous about the need to do something but in reality avoid doing very much at all. Our leaders for example talk like climate change believers but other than raising taxes do nothing about it. They won’t provide a working public transport system and they won’t do anything to upset dairy farmers.

    Our media spend half their time looking down their nose at Trump and the other half encouraging populist ignorance about cycling.

    Cork city council which has great things to say about climate change is currently trying to develop sites on the river which would simply not survive a rise in sea levels. In reality there is nothing happening on climate change that will actually be effective. If governments did start to introduce the necessary measures we would see the election of more Trumps everywhere.

    Ordinary people who haven’t see real pay increases for a generation are not in a position to pay for the crisis. The people who own the wealth and who have profited from the exploitation of the planet will have to pay. They are the only ones who can. When the Green movement adopts that policy instead of being virtue signaling hectoring scolds then they might start to be taken seriously.
    I am not sure why blame is lumped on "the Green movement", who are only a sliver of the political spectrum, with very little real power to do anything.

    Only when all parties take responsibility will anything really change. At least, that has happened to an extent everywhere except the USA.

    Theresa May puts tackling climate change back on Tory agenda
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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    This is an old trope that comes up again and again, especially when the President of the USA and most Republican members of Congress deny the reality of climate change.

    Note: Here, "global warming" and "climate change" are will be used interchangeably, as they generally are.

    GLOBAL warming does not mean it will get warmer everywhere all the time. The seasons and the weather will still happen, but will change over the long term.

    Climate = Long Term Weather Statistics (mean temperatures & extremes, mean rainfall & extremes etc etc )

    If climate changes, then weather will over the long term. Climate is the norm or expectation, weather is what you get on a daily basis. If climate is a soccer striker's average goals per game over his mature career to date, weather is what he or she scores in any given match, from 0 goals to 3 or more.

    It is an arduous task to keep track of the weather statistics, but scientists have noted long term weather changes, most noticeably temperatures, even local temperatures.

    This is a good site to track daily global weather, and how parts of the planet are doing with regard to temperature, wind speeds, rainfall etc. Climate Reanalyzer

    Today you can see that, while some of North America is experiencing lower-than-average temperatures, most of the Northern Hemisphere is experiencing higher-than-average temperatures.



    In fact, the Northern Hemisphere as a whole is +1C above the average, or norm, established on a 1979 - 2000 baseline. That +1C is called the temperature anomaly.. Global temperatures are measured by deviations from the norm, or global average.

    So, Mr President, even with your problems over recently published books, there is always a chance for a teachable moment. Thank you for listening.
    The northern hemisphere has been warming up since the end of the last Ice Age circa 12-15,000 years ago

    - and its still warming up with some dips in between eg 'little ice ages'

    Human activity is adding to it all right

    - but long term cannot stop it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    I am not sure why blame is lumped on "the Green movement", who are only a sliver of the political spectrum, with very little real power to do anything.

    Only when all parties take responsibility will anything really change. At least, that has happened to an extent everywhere except the USA.

    Theresa May puts tackling climate change back on Tory agenda
    The clue is in the first sentence of the article

    as the Conservative party renewed its push to portray itself as environmentally friendly

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    Problem is psychological.Climate change crazies are invariably, left/liberal leaning, control freaks and secular.Because they are godless they believe that there is nothing bigger than them.Thus the neurotic impulse to control everything and everybody and of course, the rabid hysteria directed at anyone that doesn't buy into their BS. Climate change is happening.It always has crazies
    It always will.
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