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    Over many years US historians have provided rankings of all the US presidents from best to worst, wiki has tabulated all 18 surveys since the war. They have also broken them down and colour coded them into four quartiles:

    1st Quartile: All time greats/transformational presidents (BLUE)
    2nd Quartile: Above average/good presidents (GREEN)
    3rd Quartile: Mediocre/Below average/Poor presidents (YELLOW)
    4th Quartile: Disasters/Terrible presidents (RED)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor...survey_results

    From this historians appear to conclude the following:

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    - Lincoln, FDR and George Washington are consistently ranked as the top three greatest presidents ever.

    - Just after this tier in the 4-7 positions are typically Teddy Roosevelt, Jefferson, Truman, Eisenhower.

    - Ronald Reagan is consistently ranked as the best US President since 1960 (I didn't agree with him but he was transformative hence the large amounts of recent blue colouring he gets).

    - Neither JFK or Obama are consistently ranked in the Top 10 (Obama hasn't ever had one) which is ironic given JFK is constantly tops US public opinion polls as the greatest president ever, but US historians strongly disagree with that.

    - LBJ ranks as high and sometimes higher than JFK and surprisingly gets some blue shading given he had the absolute horror show of Vietnam, is an astonishing achievement and still one of America's greatest ever presidents.

    - Both Clinton and Obama are ranked as strong 2nd quartile presidents, just outside the top 10.

    - George HW Bush is consistently ranked as a better president than Carter, Ford and Nixon. Bush Snr even ranks in the 2nd quartile/top half which is a good achievement given he was only a one term president.

    - George W Bush is the only recent president who consistently ranks in the 4th (RED) quartile, not surprisingly given he was a crap president.

    - James Buchanan is consistently ranked as the worst president ever.
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    Do you agree with these rankings personally yourself??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnobe View Post
    Over many years US historians have provided rankings of all the US presidents from best to worst, wiki has tabulated all 18 surveys since the war. They have also broken them down and colour coded them into four quartiles:

    1st Quartile: All time greats/transformational presidents (BLUE)
    2nd Quartile: Above average/good presidents (GREEN)
    3rd Quartile: Mediocre/Below average/Poor presidents (YELLOW)
    4th Quartile: Disasters/Terrible presidents (RED)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor...survey_results

    From this historians appear to conclude the following:

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    - Lincoln, FDR and George Washington are consistently ranked as the top three greatest presidents ever.

    - Just after this tier in the 4-7 positions are typically Teddy Roosevelt, Jefferson, Truman, Eisenhower.

    - Ronald Reagan is consistently ranked as the best US President since 1960 (I didn't agree with him but he was transformative hence the large amounts of recent blue colouring he gets).

    - Neither JFK or Obama are consistently ranked in the Top 10 (Obama hasn't ever had one) which is ironic given JFK is constantly tops US public opinion polls as the greatest president ever, but US historians strongly disagree with that.

    - LBJ ranks as high and sometimes higher than JFK and surprisingly gets some blue shading given he had the absolute horror show of Vietnam, is an astonishing achievement and still one of America's greatest ever presidents.

    - Both Clinton and Obama are ranked as strong 2nd quartile presidents, just outside the top 10.

    - George HW Bush is consistently ranked as a better president than Carter, Ford and Nixon. Bush Snr even ranks in the 2nd quartile/top half which is a good achievement given he was only a one term president.

    - George W Bush is the only recent president who consistently ranks in the 4th (RED) quartile, not surprisingly given he was a crap president.

    - James Buchanan is consistently ranked as the worst president ever.
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    Do you agree with these rankings personally yourself??
    I have little argument with them.

    A President's standing has a lot to do with the challenges they faced when entering office - Lincoln, Washington and FDR probably probably the most massive problems - Washington to make a country, Lincoln to save it from political collapse, and FDR to save it from economic collapse.

    Ulysses Grant used to be seen as one of the bottom few, but now he is seen as pretty much an "improver" He also faced almost insuperable problems, but made a fair fist at re-establishing the US after the Civil War.

    On the other side, Andrew Jackson's reputation is on the slide, as (in spite of some of his achievements) he was the man who created the alliance of Southern slave owners and Northern businessmen that led to the Civil War. The President of the Trail of Tears is not one for modern sensibilities.
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    From a historical perspective, it's too early to be ranking the recent Presidents.

    It takes years, really decades of time to assess their legacies and what lasts.

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    They are only keeping the top seat warm for Trumplethinskin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnobe View Post
    Over many years US historians have provided rankings of all the US presidents from best to worst, wiki has tabulated all 18 surveys since the war. They have also broken them down and colour coded them into four quartiles:

    1st Quartile: All time greats/transformational presidents (BLUE)
    2nd Quartile: Above average/good presidents (GREEN)
    3rd Quartile: Mediocre/Below average/Poor presidents (YELLOW)
    4th Quartile: Disasters/Terrible presidents (RED)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor...survey_results

    From this historians appear to conclude the following:

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    - Lincoln, FDR and George Washington are consistently ranked as the top three greatest presidents ever.

    - Just after this tier in the 4-7 positions are typically Teddy Roosevelt, Jefferson, Truman, Eisenhower.

    - Ronald Reagan is consistently ranked as the best US President since 1960 (I didn't agree with him but he was transformative hence the large amounts of recent blue colouring he gets).

    - Neither JFK or Obama are consistently ranked in the Top 10 (Obama hasn't ever had one) which is ironic given JFK is constantly tops US public opinion polls as the greatest president ever, but US historians strongly disagree with that.

    - LBJ ranks as high and sometimes higher than JFK and surprisingly gets some blue shading given he had the absolute horror show of Vietnam, is an astonishing achievement and still one of America's greatest ever presidents.

    - Both Clinton and Obama are ranked as strong 2nd quartile presidents, just outside the top 10.

    - George HW Bush is consistently ranked as a better president than Carter, Ford and Nixon. Bush Snr even ranks in the 2nd quartile/top half which is a good achievement given he was only a one term president.

    - George W Bush is the only recent president who consistently ranks in the 4th (RED) quartile, not surprisingly given he was a crap president.

    - James Buchanan is consistently ranked as the worst president ever.
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    Do you agree with these rankings personally yourself??
    I remember Pat Buchanan always pointing out how President James K. Polk is always neglected on these lists - given that it was under his watch that the territory of the country almost doubled.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_K._Polk

    I remember thinking that oddly Pat had a point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYCKY View Post
    From a historical perspective, it's too early to be ranking the recent Presidents.

    It takes years, really decades of time to assess their legacies and what lasts.
    I agree.

    Realistically, Presidents from the last 50 years or so should be excepted, with maybe Nixon squeaking in.

    Obama, for example, will be evaluated as the President who took office at a time when the US was deeply divided over Iraq, and suffering the second-worst economic crisis in its history. Reagan will be evaluated at the President given an unparalleled opportunity to end the Cold War.

    How did they do? Both did very well, IMHO, but another generation may beg to differ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Degeneration X View Post
    I remember Pat Buchanan always pointing out how President James K. Polk is always neglected on these lists - given that it was under his watch that the territory of the country almost doubled.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_K._Polk

    I remember thinking that oddly Pat had a point.
    OTOH, Polk was a slave trader who bought and sold slaves even while President.

    Even if you hold your nose over that one, many felt the Mexican War was morally the worst war in American history - both Abraham Lincoln and U.S.Grant (who fought in it) thought so - in their view it was a military adventure to gain territory for slavery.

    And the new territory was non-slave (Mexico has outlawed slavery). It opened a bitter dispute between North and South over allowing the new lands to be slave soil or free soil. That dispute produced the Civil War.
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    They'll need a new 5th category for Trump.

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    Fake News.

    Trump is the best president EVER not only in the US but in any country, including Ireland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gleeful View Post
    They'll need a new 5th category for Trump.
    Yep, the 'Bestest of the best'.
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