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Thread: The HPV vaccine and the need for zero tolerance for stupidity

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    Default The HPV vaccine and the need for zero tolerance for stupidity

    This story annoys the hell out of me. The internet, including some fruit loops in this parish, is awash with anti-vaccination conspiracy loons. These cretins, having apparently been vaccinated from believing anything that is supported by scientific research, peddle any and every piece of scaremongering nonsense they trip over and we have seen far too many parents swallow this shíte whole and fail to vaccinate their children against entirely preventable life threatening illnesses. For the first time in years we saw children die from measles having not been vaccinated in the aftermath of Andrew Wakefield's lies about the MMR vaccine. The story in the news lately? The HPV vaccine, the uptake of which has fallen alarmingly. So let's compare and contrast.

    Sinn Féin calls for respect for mothers concerned over HPV...

    In the linked story on one side we have HSE spokesperson Stephanie O’Keeffe who says:

    The World Health Organisation, The US Centre for Disease Control, The European Centre for Disease Control and Prevention, The International Association for Gynaecologists and Obstetricians are all saying [...] there is not one shred of evidence that demonstrates and association between the HPV vaccine and the kinds of things that people are saying that it causes.
    We also have Professor Donal Brennan, consultant gynaecologist and obstetrician at the Mater Hospital in Dublin:

    ... said that international evidence shows the vaccine is safe, effective and is saving lives.

    "We do not in any way suggest that these girls are not sick,” he said. “But we cannot say there is a causative link between the HPV vaccination and those different symptoms & syndromes that have developed."
    Two people who's jobs are to deliver the best healthcare and outcomes for patients. Clear and unambiguous. The vaccine is safe. And, given that it's pretty much accepted that dying of cancer is bad, necessary too.

    Enter SF health spokesperson Louise O'Reilly. While supporting the vaccine the glowing opportunity for a good old pander is just too great to resist. Louise solemnly tells us that people "wholeheartedly believe" that their daughters have suffered adverse impacts from the vaccination and that we "cannot dismiss the concerns of mothers".

    People who have concerns about this and wholeheartedly believe the precise opposite of what scientific evidence demonstrates are the kind of people with the kind of super heavyweight thickness that sees them turn to their Facebook feed for medical advice instead of, heaven forbid, a doctor! Their "concerns" and "wholehearted beliefs" translate, when passed through a common sense filter, as dangerous stupidity. We should not be validating them or making them feel ok for being idiots.

    What we should be saying in no uncertain terms that the anti-vaccination conspiracy loons are bare faced liars. We should also be saying that anyone who chooses to believe them over medical professionals is an idiot, that they are endangering their children and that they should be ashamed.

    If people are being idiots they should be called on it. This brand of soft soap pandering is utter horse shít and O'Reilly and all the other fools who engage in it should be ashamed of themselves. This is one of those times when there is no room for ambiguity.
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    Kids now dying of measles due to these idiots.

    Polio still not eradicated due in part to their conspiracy theory.

    Plonkers.

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    And Sinn Féin trying to run with the hare and chase with the hounds.

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    Is this thread about the anti-vaccination movement, or is it a covert attempt at SF-bashing?

    I will watch to see where it goes next.
    Plotting the witchcraft with my cats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toland View Post
    And Sinn Féin trying to run with the hare and chase with the hounds.

    Fianna Fáil nua.
    Some issues are simply too important to conflate mind numbing stupidity with some kind of misguided but well intentioned concern.

    Anti-vaccination loons should be shown zero tolerance and so should parents who seem hell bent on swallowing their lies in spite of masses of well publicised medical evidence to the contrary.
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    12 year old girls do not need this vaccine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Eagle of the Ninth View Post
    Is this thread about the anti-vaccination movement, or is it a covert attempt at SF-bashing?

    I will watch to see where it goes next.
    Anti-vaccination. SF just so happen to have the misfortune to have been found to have some stupid in their midst.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Zordan View Post
    12 year old girls do not need this vaccine.
    So, to be clear, you are saying that the vaccine should be withheld until after the point when its administration would be effective?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Zordan View Post
    12 year old girls do not need this vaccine.
    Thanks. Let's see your peer reviewed medical research to support this contention. Otherwise go forth and copulate with thyself.
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