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    Default Taking advantage of Brexit - let's revisit 'Decentralisation'

    Charlie McCreevy attempted in the early naughties to disperse growth to the regions with his audacious 'decentralisation' program. Many senior civil servants were aghast at this idea of forced dispersion to the sticks and the program was greatly diluted.

    One of the main obstacles cited against Dublin taking advantage of a bankers flight from London is a dearth of appropriate high-end accommodation. Much of our mid level upwards state functionaries are living in Clontarf,Terenure,Stillorgan etc and if these properties became availabe would command a premium rental price which would provide for a very high maintenance lifestyle in the sticks to compensate for any inconvenience caused by leaving bloated, expensive Dublin.

    An initiative such as decentralisation would greatly assist in arresting the decline that many regional centres are continuing to feel with growth c^ntered in a very narrow expanse of the state.
    https://irelandafternama.wordpress.c...entralisation/ and
    https://www.wort.lu/en/business/relo...730ff4e7f638c9

    There's a very narrow window to act decisively to increase our advantages and win the potential rewards that other European cities are sizing up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itsalaugh View Post
    Charlie McCreevy attempted in the early naughties to disperse growth to the regions with his audacious 'decentralisation' program. Many senior civil servants were aghast at this idea of forced dispersion to the sticks and the program was greatly diluted.

    One of the main obstacles cited against Dublin taking advantage of a bankers flight from London is a dearth of appropriate high-end accommodation. Much of our mid level upwards state functionaries are living in Clontarf,Terenure,Stillorgan etc and if these properties became availabe would command a premium rental price which would provide for a very high maintenance lifestyle in the sticks to compensate for any inconvenience caused by leaving bloated, expensive Dublin.

    An initiative such as decentralisation would greatly assist in arresting the decline that many regional centres are continuing to feel with growth c^ntered in a very narrow expanse of the state.
    https://irelandafternama.wordpress.c...entralisation/ and
    https://www.wort.lu/en/business/relo...730ff4e7f638c9

    There's a very narrow window to act decisively to increase our advantages and win the potential rewards that other European cities are sizing up.
    McCreevy's decentralization programme was an expensive, populist, irresponsible disaster. Thanks be to jaysus the scheme was diluted: most of what did end up getting implemented had to be reversed.

    Your moniker is appropriate to your OP.

    Attracting businesses to locations outside Dublin is the trick, not moving civil servants to places they don't want to go, far away from the civil servants they want to talk to and inaccessible to the maximum number of citizens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itsalaugh View Post
    Charlie McCreevy attempted in the early naughties to disperse growth to the regions with his audacious 'decentralisation' program. Many senior civil servants were aghast at this idea of forced dispersion to the sticks and the program was greatly diluted.

    One of the main obstacles cited against Dublin taking advantage of a bankers flight from London is a dearth of appropriate high-end accommodation. Much of our mid level upwards state functionaries are living in Clontarf,Terenure,Stillorgan etc and if these properties became availabe would command a premium rental price which would provide for a very high maintenance lifestyle in the sticks to compensate for any inconvenience caused by leaving bloated, expensive Dublin.

    An initiative such as decentralisation would greatly assist in arresting the decline that many regional centres are continuing to feel with growth c^ntered in a very narrow expanse of the state.
    https://irelandafternama.wordpress.c...entralisation/ and
    https://www.wort.lu/en/business/relo...730ff4e7f638c9

    There's a very narrow window to act decisively to increase our advantages and win the potential rewards that other European cities are sizing up.
    Dont worry about the decline of regional centers, as the EU have a great plan for sorting this. e.g. the planting of tens of thousands of migrants into Ireland over the next decade. Maybe we will have some Government jobs moved to these regional towns to help with their transition.

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    "Hey JP Morgan! Stop being dummies and considering moving jobs to Dublin, Frankfurt or Paris! I know we've made the entire argument that we've got a capital with infrastructure, a high level of trained professionals from loads of nations and office space but have we shown you Leitrim? Come to Leitrim! As a gift, we'll give you the sack of hammers we've been beating ourselves with to come up with this idea!"
    I'm living in America, and in America, you're on your own. America's not a country. It's just a business. Now f***ing pay me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sync View Post
    "Hey JP Morgan! Stop being dummies and considering moving jobs to Dublin, Frankfurt or Paris! I know we've made the entire argument that we've got a capital with infrastructure, a high level of trained professionals from loads of nations and office space but have we shown you Leitrim? Come to Leitrim! As a gift, we'll give you the sack of hammers we've been beating ourselves with to come up with this idea!"
    If that's directed at me, I wasn't talking about banking jobs. If it's directed at itsalaugh, his plan is to move civil servants down the road to make room for JP Morgan employees in the leafier parts of Dublin.

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    I always think it's telling who are the posters who rush in to diss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toland View Post
    If that's directed at me, I wasn't talking about banking jobs. If it's directed at itsalaugh, his plan is to move civil servants down the road to make room for JP Morgan employees in the leafier parts of Dublin.
    It's hard to know what industry that it could be done with. Making an European silicon valley for instance would be attractive if we didn't have the business we do. "We're going to bulldoze Leitrim, build a single campus in it's place for you Analog/Microsoft/Facebook/Google as well as an IT university. We'll knockdown corporation tax as well if you guys agree to build it in partnership with us". That's an argument.

    But we already have Analog/Microsoft/etc who have set up in Ireland employing thousands. It's hard to see how setting up a mass campus would proportionally work out to profit us. Similar story for pharmaceuticals.

    And you're right, it is of course massively offensive to just treat civil servants like cattle to be moved around the place.
    I'm living in America, and in America, you're on your own. America's not a country. It's just a business. Now f***ing pay me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Itsalaugh View Post
    I always think it's telling who are the posters who rush in to diss.
    I'm sorry but the decentralization programme was an expensive, transparently populist stunt. Even in its pruned back form it was an expensive disaster at a time when the Irish government had much more money than sense.

    It is emphatically not something to be repeated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Itsalaugh View Post
    Charlie McCreevy attempted in the early naughties to disperse growth to the regions with his audacious 'decentralisation' program. Many senior civil servants were aghast at this idea of forced dispersion to the sticks and the program was greatly diluted. .
    The French decentralised departments over time, they announced a dept would move to a town in a number of years which allowed people to transfer to and from that dept. There have been successful decentralisations here as well - Pensions to Sligo. Unfortunately, McCreeveys idea was a govt office at every crossroads, built by the local gombeen and leased to the govt whether it was used or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wombat View Post
    The French decentralised departments over time, they announced a dept would move to a town in a number of years which allowed people to transfer to and from that dept. There have been successful decentralisations here as well - Pensions to Sligo. Unfortunately, McCreeveys idea was a govt office at every crossroads, built by the local gombeen and leased to the govt whether it was used or not.
    The French also have meaningful regional and local government structures to support such measures administratively and politically.

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