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Thread: Ireland has 7th highest 3rd level fees in the world

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    Default Ireland has 7th highest 3rd level fees in the world

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    And they want to make them higher still.
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    Just proves education is a business nowadays.

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    What's the point of this thread?

    3rd level should never have been 'free' in the first place... imo.

    The 'registration fee' has helped limit the damage... but is just the usual cynical bullsh!t politicians dream up in the expectation that people are too stupid to know what it really is... (fees by another name)...

    Regardless the 'registration fee' is probably still too cheap.

    All that 'free' 3rd level education has delivered is a lack of funding and the slide of Irish 3rd level institutions down the global rankings over 20 years since Niamh Breathnach introduced this initiative...

    And there's no quick fix to 20 years of underfunding either...

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Sinclair View Post
    ... not to mention that having people pay the actual costs of their education would dramatically reduce the dropout rates.
    This is untrue. Dropouts go up when people can't afford the fees.

    What should be done is that a certain (high) number of places in technical courses should be free, and nonsense 'arts' course should be charged for.

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    when kids are born open an account and put the child benefit in , that gives you nearly 30K when they leave schools.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silverharp View Post
    when kids are born open an account and put the child benefit in , that gives you nearly 30K when they leave schools.
    The biggest issue here is the problems caused by turning students into customers. I worked in the UK university sector around the time that fees came in - there was a dramatic drop in standards. The philosophy of "the customer is always right" doesn't work well when the customer is also the student.

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    And when you factor in cost of accommodation, we would be higher than 7th!
    You would have to question the value of third level education here in terms of people getting jobs out of it!
    In a highly classist society like ours, what you know is very much a secondary consideration to who you know!
    We have a hugely paradoxical situation in that we have people who are educated to masters levels working on assembly lines and stacking shelves while at the same time we have huge numbers of Irish People at a level where they are just about B2 fluent in English, sucking the public tit dry as 'public servants'!
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    Still not high enough. The proliferation of crap dressed up as "third level education" at massive taxpayer cost is but another thing strangling our country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by General Urko View Post
    And when you factor in cost of accommodation, we would be higher than 7th!
    You would have to question the value of third level education here in terms of people getting jobs out of it!
    In a highly classist society like ours, what you know is very much a secondary consideration to who you know!
    We have a hugely paradoxical situation in that we have people who are educated to masters levels working on assembly lines and stacking shelves while at the same time we have huge numbers of Irish People at a level where they are just about B2 fluent in English, sucking the public tit dry as 'public servants'!
    The value is based on what course you are doing. Being one of 600 social care students in a class in a regional IT is quite pointless for around 95% of students. Doing a 4 year engineering or science degree will get you a job almost by default.

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    We have a bloated 3rd level education system - effectively you've had 2 decades of empire building by means of creating more courses for more students with the primary aim of getting a bigger budget. That's where the pressure on fees comes from.

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