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    Default Easter to become a less movable feast?

    Unlike Christmas Day, Easter - as celebrated by Western Christians - can occur on any date in a 5 week period from late March to late April. This is because it's defined as the first Sunday after the first full moon after the Spring Equinox and, of course, the lunar month doesn’t follow the months as defined in the Gregorian Calendar.

    To complicate things further, Eastern Orthodox churches tend to have their Easter later than Western Christians. They use the Julian Calendar which differs from the Gregorian Calendar by 13 days. They also observe the Nicene tradition of not celebrating Easter until after the Jewish Passover to maintain the sequence of events of Jesus's crucifixion.

    All that may be about to change with discussions taking place between the various Christian churches with a view to fixing Easter in the first couple of weeks of April. It would never be set to a particular date like December 25th; to be meaningful, it needs to be on a Sunday. Nevertheless, it would mean that a whole range of Church feasts (such as Ash Wednesday, Holy Thursday, Good Friday, Ascension Thursday and Pentecost Sunday) would be falling within a much narrower time range than before.

    The original suggestion came from the Coptic Church in Egypt. Pope Tawadros II proposed it to the Roman Catholic Church last year. Pope Francis signalled his agreement and now it seems that the Anglican Communion is coming on board too. The Russian Orthodox Church seems open to the idea - albeit with the caveat that the date be determined according to the Orthodox calendar. Whether this means simply that it should always be after the Passover is unclear at this stage.

    But…..they’re all talking and seemingly agreeing and that can only be a good thing.

    Easter date could be fixed 'within five to 10 years' - Independent.ie

    Easter Fixed Date? Catholic And Orthodox Churches Could Celebrate On Same Sunday By 2021

    Archbishop of Canterbury working with Pope to establish common Easter date for all Christians
    Not enough people here do nuance.

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    its a good thing , its causes hassle with parents some years when you have these long and short terms. Im guessing schools and colleges will support this big time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by silverharp View Post
    its a good thing , its causes hassle with parents some years when you have these long and short terms. Im guessing schools and colleges will support this big time?
    There is that too. There's the effect of a loooong January - Easter school term on students. I remember one year at school when Easter was pretty much as late as late could be. We had nearly 4 solid (and cold, dull) months slogging away with only Saint Patrick's Day off. Then we were hardly back after Easter and we were into the summer exams. Madness....

    (We didn't have midterm breaks back then.)
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    Has anyone thought about the consequences for commemorating 1916?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nudavongs View Post
    Unlike Christmas Day, Easter - as celebrated by Western Christians - can occur on any date in a 5 week period from late March to late April. This is because it's defined as the first Sunday after the first full moon after the Spring Equinox and, of course, the lunar month doesn’t follow the months as defined in the Gregorian Calendar.

    To complicate things further, Eastern Orthodox churches tend to have their Easter later than Western Christians. They use the Julian Calendar which differs from the Gregorian Calendar by 13 days. They also observe the Nicene tradition of not celebrating Easter until after the Jewish Passover to maintain the sequence of events of Jesus's crucifixion.

    All that may be about to change with discussions taking place between the various Christian churches with a view to fixing Easter in the first couple of weeks of April. It would never be set to a particular date like December 25th; to be meaningful, it needs to be on a Sunday. Nevertheless, it would mean that a whole range of Church feasts (such as Ash Wednesday, Holy Thursday, Good Friday, Ascension Thursday and Pentecost Sunday) would be falling within a much narrower time range than before.

    The original suggestion came from the Coptic Church in Egypt. Pope Tawadros II proposed it to the Roman Catholic Church last year. Pope Francis signalled his agreement and now it seems that the Anglican Communion is coming on board too. The Russian Orthodox Church seems open to the idea - albeit with the caveat that the date be determined according to the Orthodox calendar. Whether this means simply that it should always be after the Passover is unclear at this stage.

    But…..they’re all talking and seemingly agreeing and that can only be a good thing.

    Easter date could be fixed 'within five to 10 years' - Independent.ie

    Easter Fixed Date? Catholic And Orthodox Churches Could Celebrate On Same Sunday By 2021

    Archbishop of Canterbury working with Pope to establish common Easter date for all Christians
    It's good that they are talking, and probably about something they can all agree on without getting into major theological hot water. Fingers crossed.

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    The solution if for the elders of the Christian churches, together with the greatest historians and scholastics, to consult the ancient texts of Christianity and also pagan fertility tradition and come up with a solution. Or the government could just declare a date and fix it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverharp View Post
    its a good thing , its causes hassle with parents some years when you have these long and short terms. Im guessing schools and colleges will support this big time?
    Well, let's be honest, I don't think the support of the schools and colleges will influence the major Christian denominations one way or the other..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lúidín View Post
    The solution if for the elders of the Christian churches, together with the greatest historians and scholastics, to consult the ancient texts of Christianity and also pagan fertility tradition and come up with a solution. Or the government could just declare a date and fix it.
    So the Irish government would declare a date for a religious festival...yep, that makes perfect sense.

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    It's not a religious festival anymore. It's a public holiday.

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    It would a good thing for these organised religions, in their interests to agree on week in April.
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