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Thread: Wind Turbines: The end is nigh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carbontax View Post
    Renewable Energy Certificates are no longer only about Renewable Electricity. Now Renewable Certificates for Cooling and Heating can be Traded between EU Nations to meet National Targets, per the latest Renewable Energy Directive.






    Article 15
    Guarantees of origin of electricity, heating and cooling
    produced from renewable energy sources
    1. For the purposes of proving to final customers the share or
    quantity of energy from renewable sources in an energy supplier’s energy mix in accordance with Article 3(6) of Directive
    2003/54/EC, Member States shall ensure that the origin of electricity produced from renewable energy sources can be guaranteed as such within the meaning of this Directive, in accordance
    with objective, transparent and non-discriminatory criteria.
    2. To that end, Member States shall ensure that a guarantee of
    origin is issued in response to a request from a producer of electricity from renewable energy sources. Member States may
    arrange for guarantees of origin to be issued in response to a
    request from producers of heating and cooling from renewable
    energy sources. Such an arrangement may be made subject to a
    minimum capacity limit. A guarantee of origin shall be of the
    standard size of 1 MWh. No more than one guarantee of origin
    shall be issued in respect of each unit of energy produced.
    Member States shall ensure that the same unit of energy from
    renewable sources is taken into account only once.
    Member States may provide that no support be granted to a producer when that producer receives a guarantee of origin for the
    same production of energy from renewable sources.
    The guarantee of origin shall have no function in terms of a Member State’s compliance with Article 3. Transfers of guarantees of
    origin, separately or together with the physical transfer of energy,
    shall have no effect on the decision of Member States to use statistical transfers, joint projects or joint support schemes for target
    compliance or on the calculation of the gross final consumption
    of energy from renewable sources in accordance with Article 5.
    3. Any use of a guarantee of origin shall take place within 12
    months of production of the corresponding energy unit. A guarantee of origin shall be cancelled once it has been used.
    4. Member States or designated competent bodies shall supervise the issuance, transfer and cancellation of guarantees of origin. The designated competent bodies shall have non-overlapping
    geographical responsibilities, and be independent of production,
    trade and supply activities.
    5. Member States or the designated competent bodies shall put
    in place appropriate mechanisms to ensure that guarantees of origin shall be issued, transferred and cancelled electronically and are
    accurate, reliable and fraud-resistant.
    6. A guarantee of origin shall specify at least:
    (a) the energy source from which the energy was produced and
    the start and end dates of production;
    (b) whether it relates to:
    (i) electricity; or
    (ii) heating or cooling;
    (c) the identity, location, type and capacity of the installation
    where the energy was produced;
    (d) whether and to what extent the installation has benefited
    from investment support, whether and to what extent the
    unit of energy has benefited in any other way from a national
    support scheme, and the type of support scheme;
    (e) the date on which the installation became operational; and
    (f) the date and country of issue and a unique identification
    number.
    7. Where an electricity supplier is required to prove the share
    or quantity of energy from renewable sources in its energy mix
    for the purposes of Article 3(6) of Directive 2003/54/EC, it may
    do so by using its guarantees of origin.
    8. The amount of energy from renewable sources corresponding to guarantees of origin transferred by an electricity supplier to
    a third party shall be deducted from the share of energy from
    renewable sources in its energy mix for the purposes of
    Article 3(6) of Directive 2003/54/EC.
    9. Member States shall recognise guarantees of origin issued by
    other Member States in accordance with this Directive exclusively
    as proof of the elements referred to in paragraph 1 and paragraph 6(a) to (f). A Member State may refuse to recognise a guarantee of origin only when it has well-founded doubts about its
    accuracy, reliability or veracity. The Member State shall notify the
    Commission of such a refusal and its justification.
    10. If the Commission finds that a refusal to recognise a guarantee of origin is unfounded, the Commission may adopt a decision requiring the Member State in question to recognise it.
    11. A Member State may introduce, in conformity with Community law, objective, transparent and non-discriminatory criteria for the use of guarantees of origin in complying with the
    obligations laid down in Article 3(6) of Directive 2003/54/EC.
    12. Where energy suppliers market energy from renewable
    sources to consumers with a reference to environmental or other
    benefits of energy from renewable sources, Member States may
    require those energy suppliers to make available, in summary
    form, information on the amount or share of energy from renewable sources that comes from installations or increased capacity
    that became operational after 25 June 2009.


    https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-cont...9L0028&from=EN
    That's the whole point, poster Carbontax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voluntary View Post
    Well, from January 1, 2018, CO2 certificates are officially recognized as a form of a financial instrument and are being traded on the open market. The certificates price nearly instantly increased by 150% (from 1 Jan 2018 to 30 Nov 2018) making non-renewable energy much more expensive, hence the electricity price increases around Europe in the recent year. Higher the dependency on fossil fuels, larger the shock. This is the reality.

    The certificate for 1 ton of co2 emission cost 8 Euro at the start of 2018 increasing to 20.5 Euro in November 2018 and it's estimated to reach 30-35 Euro in 2019 and due to the climate policy is set to increase further over time. Make your calculations.


    This doesn't take into account horrendous healthcare costs associated with bad air quality and inhaling cancerogenous particles. If you add this up, you'll find that the long term cost of not moving quickly to renewable is much, much higher.


    I won't even mention the quality of life, as it's difficult to measure but anyone with a brain prefers to breath fresh air.
    All you are saying here is that the religious nutjobs are taking over.

    CO2 certificates are a 100% artificial construct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clearmurk View Post
    All you are saying here is that the religious nutjobs are taking over.

    CO2 certificates are a 100% artificial construct.
    Same as taxes. This is the reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clearmurk View Post
    All you are saying here is that the religious nutjobs are taking over.

    CO2 certificates are a 100% artificial construct.
    Of course they are. I've never heard of anyone claiming otherwise.

    Spades are 100% artificial too. They're still very useful for digging the garden. Even the ones with heavy-duty plastic handles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbinator View Post
    Wow!! - you need to take some of your own medicine. You and Odious et al coming on here constantly and wanting everyone to go back to a wind powered stone age
    we want to bring you back to the STONE AGE !!!
    is that it Turbs ?

    & you know Turbs, there was guy called Turbinator on here some time ago,
    & he was promising us that we'd be back in the ICE AGE soon !!!!!!!
    LOL !!!!!

    you know Turbs, you'd be better off here in a STONE AGE than you'd be in an ICE AGE.

    no wonder Turbs, that ol Val has been so agitated here in recent days.
    he's in danger of being knocked off his pedestal, as the Comedian of P.ie, by your goodself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mangaire1 View Post
    we want to bring you back to the STONE AGE !!!
    is that it Turbs ?

    & you know Turbs, there was guy called Turbinator on here some time ago,
    & he was promising us that we'd be back in the ICE AGE soon !!!!!!!
    LOL !!!!!

    you know Turbs, you'd be better off here in a STONE AGE than you'd be in an ICE AGE.

    no wonder Turbs, that ol Val has been so agitated here in recent days.
    he's in danger of being knocked off his pedestal, as the Comedian of P.ie, by your goodself.
    A very personal attack from some one who would prefer an to be in the Stone age with the flint and fire than to live in a cold land with modern technology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carbontax View Post
    A very personal attack from some one who would prefer an to be in the Stone age with the flint and fire than to live in a cold land with modern technology.
    nah - don't think that the last Ice Age in Ireland anyway, was "a cold land with modern technology"

    & BTW when ol Turbs told us that an Ice Age was coming "soon",
    he also told us in the same comment that the EU would have to deport us the the Sahara !!!!!
    I kid you not,
    & you wonder why ol Turbs threatens Val as the Comedian of the site ?

    & BTW I've asked ol Turbs numerous times when he reckons that his Ice Age arrives,
    & he's always taken a Vow of Silence so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voluntary View Post
    Well, from January 1, 2018, CO2 certificates are officially recognized as a form of a financial instrument and are being traded on the open market. The certificates price nearly instantly increased by 150% (from 1 Jan 2018 to 30 Nov 2018) making non-renewable energy much more expensive, hence the electricity price increases around Europe in the recent year. Higher the dependency on fossil fuels, larger the shock. This is the reality.

    The certificate for 1 ton of co2 emission cost 8 Euro at the start of 2018 increasing to 20.5 Euro in November 2018 and it's estimated to reach 30-35 Euro in 2019 and due to the climate policy is set to increase further over time. Make your calculations.


    This doesn't take into account horrendous healthcare costs associated with bad air quality and inhaling cancerogenous particles. If you add this up, you'll find that the long term cost of not moving quickly to renewable is much, much higher.


    I won't even mention the quality of life, as it's difficult to measure but anyone with a brain prefers to breath fresh air.
    Carbon trading is a massive scam - Apple claimed in their Athenry pre-planning submission that the will run the date centre on 100% renewables. When it was pointed out to them that it was not possible to do that with wind, their backers claimed they will build a solar farm in Arizona!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carbontax View Post
    A very personal attack from some one who would prefer an to be in the Stone age with the flint and fire than to live in a cold land with modern technology.
    Mangies contempt for those suffering energy poverty at the hands of the wind pushers is legendary on here I'm afraid

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbinator View Post
    Carbon trading is a massive scam
    It is or it is not, its irrelevant. This is what it is and it's the environment we operate in and the costs / profits aren't artificial at all. You want to complain about CO2 certificates, that's for a different topic.

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