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    For some years now Turkey, under the ever increasingly more authoritarian rule of Erdogan, has been deviating further and further from the secular path enshrined in its constitution in favour of radical Islam.

    It has reached the point where some countries in the region such as Iraq sees Turkey as an enemy state.

    The pace of Islamification seems to have gathered pace recently with pretty much all pretense at secularism now dropped. Constitutional bans on wearing hijabs and such in public buildings have been dropped and the sale of alcohol restricted, whilst last week Erdogan claimed women were not equal to men.

    More worryingly for the West, Turkey's support for IS and for Al-Nusra becomes more blatant daily. Yesterday the Kurds in Kobane accused Turkey of actively supporting a new offensive by IS by allowing IS to attack from Turkish territory, and of providing coordinated artillery and tank fire against Kurdish defenders in the centre of the city to coincide with several suicide bombings and a major IS assault led by tanks.

    KOBANE BORDER—Turkish bombardment of Kobane on Saturday has wounded a number of civilians and fighters inside the Kurdish city, the city administrator said.

    “Under the pretense of stopping an ISIS attack on Turkey the Turkish army bombarded the center of Kobane with tanks and artillery,” Anwar Muslim, co-chair of the Kobane canton told Rudaw. “A number of civilians and fighters have been wounded.”

    Muslim said that heavy fighting is going on between the Islamic State (ISIS) militants and the Peoples Protection Units (YPG) and the Peshmerga forces in several parts of the city.

    “The YPG and Peshmerga have countered all the attacks, the fighting is still going on and we have a number of wounded,” said Muslim.

    He added that the Kurdish forces still control most of the city, but “the ISIS has mined the few parts of the city that are under their control,”

    Muslim said that the Turkish authorities had turned off electricity at the refugee camp on the border and imposed a total blackout during their bombardment of the city.

    Earlier in the day Reuters reported that four ISIS militants had led the attack on Kobane by blowing themselves up at the crossing point between Turkey and the Kurdish city.

    According to the report, 30 people were killed in the beginning of renewed clashes between the Kurdish forces and the Islamist fighters.

    Kurdish leaders accused Turkey of facilitating the attack on the city, but the office of Turkish Prime Minister dismissed the accusation, saying the vehicles used in the car bombings hadn’t crossed from Turkey.
    Fighting continues in Kobane, Turkish bombardment wounds many

    Erdogan's denial of the suicide attackers coming from Turkey is nonsensical. Short of teleportation there is no other way for them to have reached the border crossing. Plus, even while Erdogan was issuing his lies, fighting was continuing between Kurdish forces and ISIS militants entrenched in grain silos on the Turkish side of the border from where they had launched their suicide attacks.

    Given Turkey's unashamed support for Islamic terrorists should the EU put sanctions in place and given that Turkey's goals are in direct conflict with fellow member states, is it time for Turkey to be expelled from NATO?

    https://twitter.com/hashtag/kobane
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    The list of places that people of White Christian heritage can go and explore is extremely small.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SAT View Post
    For some years now Turkey, under the ever increasingly more authoritarian rule of Erdogan, has been deviating further and further from the secular path enshrined in its constitution in favour of radical Islam.

    It has reached the point where some countries in the region such as Iraq sees Turkey as an enemy state.

    The pace of Islamification seems to have gathered pace recently with pretty much all pretense at secularism now dropped. Constitutional bans on wearing hijabs and such in public buildings have been dropped and the sale of alcohol restricted, whilst last week Erdogan claimed women were not equal to men.

    More worryingly for the West, Turkey's support for IS and for Al-Nusra becomes more blatant daily. Yesterday the Kurds in Kobane accused Turkey of actively supporting a new offensive by IS by allowing IS to attack from Turkish territory, and of providing coordinated artillery and tank fire against Kurdish defenders in the centre of the city to coincide with several suicide bombings and a major IS assault led by tanks.

    Fighting continues in Kobane, Turkish bombardment wounds many

    Erdogan's denial of the suicide attackers coming from Turkey is nonsensical. Short of teleportation there is no other way for them to have reached the border crossing. Plus, even while Erdogan was issuing his lies, fighting was continuing between Kurdish forces and ISIS militants entrenched in grain silos on the Turkish side of the border from where they had launched their suicide attacks.

    Given Turkey's unashamed support for Islamic terrorists should the EU put sanctions in place and given that Turkey's goals are in direct conflict with fellow member states, is it time for Turkey to be expelled from NATO?

    https://twitter.com/hashtag/kobane
    Expect a softly softly approach from the EU, sadly. But perhaps it is a good thing they have become so blatant, the citizens of the EU will now never tolerate them being accepted as members.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SAT View Post
    Given Turkey's unashamed support for Islamic terrorists should the EU put sanctions in place and given that Turkey's goals are in direct conflict with fellow member states, is it time for Turkey to be expelled from NATO?

    As alleged by Sibel Edmonds, Turkey has been supporting jihadists for decades. Russia's troubles in the caucasus in the 1990s were caused by Turkish financing of jihadists, according to Edmonds.


    The neocons will shortly be directing US foreign policy. Turkey's support for Islamo-facsism is fully in line with neocon goals re Syria, Iran and Russia.

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    Thankfully Turkey won't be joining the EEC anytime soon. What is it about muslims majority countries that causes a huge decline in the Christian and Jewish population? The religion of super peas has a problem it will never eradicate.

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    Of course St. Mary McAleese has gone on record as saying that the Irish people welcome Turkey in to the EU. I can't recall being asked that question myself but then McAleese thinks she has the right to tell everyone else what their opinion should be.

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    The list of places that people of White Christian heritage can go and explore is extremely small.
    This is very true Eire1976 but it is the price we of white Christian heritage must pay for centuries of plunder, conquest, colonisation and barbarism by our forebears. Unfortunately most European and North American countries are still at it. The British and American military machines who are constantly at war, have not fought in their own countries in a generation.

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    Militant jihadism has been expanding in Turkey for decades.

    Turkey is a nominal secular state but the vast majority of Turks give their allegiance to Islam.
    As such it is exceptionally fertile ground for the forces of extremism and these are now in the ascendent. This of course means the end of any possibility of Turkey joining the EU.

    The USA still sees that country as a tool to be manipulated in its foreign policy strategy.
    Repeal the thirty-fourth amendment of the Irish constitution :
    Children have a basic right to be reared by a mother and a father.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SAT View Post
    For some years now Turkey, under the ever increasingly more authoritarian rule of Erdogan, has been deviating further and further from the secular path enshrined in its constitution in favour of radical Islam.

    It has reached the point where some countries in the region such as Iraq sees Turkey as an enemy state.

    The pace of Islamification seems to have gathered pace recently with pretty much all pretense at secularism now dropped. Constitutional bans on wearing hijabs and such in public buildings have been dropped and the sale of alcohol restricted, whilst last week Erdogan claimed women were not equal to men.

    More worryingly for the West, Turkey's support for IS and for Al-Nusra becomes more blatant daily. Yesterday the Kurds in Kobane accused Turkey of actively supporting a new offensive by IS by allowing IS to attack from Turkish territory, and of providing coordinated artillery and tank fire against Kurdish defenders in the centre of the city to coincide with several suicide bombings and a major IS assault led by tanks.

    Fighting continues in Kobane, Turkish bombardment wounds many

    Erdogan's denial of the suicide attackers coming from Turkey is nonsensical. Short of teleportation there is no other way for them to have reached the border crossing. Plus, even while Erdogan was issuing his lies, fighting was continuing between Kurdish forces and ISIS militants entrenched in grain silos on the Turkish side of the border from where they had launched their suicide attacks.

    Given Turkey's unashamed support for Islamic terrorists should the EU put sanctions in place and given that Turkey's goals are in direct conflict with fellow member states, is it time for Turkey to be expelled from NATO?

    https://twitter.com/hashtag/kobane
    Turkey is a hostile state to women:

    “Our religion has given women the calling of motherhood … feminists cannot understand that.” Warming to his subject, Erdoğan described how believers, including himself, “kiss their mothers’ feet” because they “smell of heaven”. This weird fetishising of mothers had as much place in reality as his reasons why women cannot work as men do: “Their delicate frames are not suited to it.”

    It


    Lunatic!

    His foreign minister thinks that women should not give into temptation by smiling in public. So good company.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lúidín View Post
    This is very true Eire1976 but it is the price we of white Christian heritage must pay for centuries of plunder, conquest, colonisation and barbarism by our forebears. Unfortunately most European and North American countries are still at it. The British and American military machines who are constantly at war, have not fought in their own countries in a generation.
    You might read up on the history of Turkey and the Ottoman empire. They arguably surpassed anything done by the Christians. Islam has always wielded the sword - as it continues to do today.

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