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    Ireland is a member of the pan European Council of Europe - the body established in the aftermath of World War ll to try to maintain agreed standards of behaviour within and between all European states. One of its achievements is the European Convention on Human Rights.

    The parliament of the European Community - which is a body set up years later than the C of E and more limited in its membership - rents the hall in Strasbourg from the C of E for its meetings in that city.

    Speaking in Dublin today the Council's Commissioner for Human Rights Mr Thomas Hammarberg has said US military flights through Shannon Airport should have been checked when it was obvious that the planes could have been used to transport people who have been abducted and who might face torture where they were being brought.

    Torture is banned under the European Convention on Human Rights. Under the UN Convention against Torture Ireland is under a legal obligation to be proactive in ensuring that its facilities or employees do not assist those engaged in the crime of torture in any way.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/1130/rights.html

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    Speaking in Dublin today the Council's Commissioner for Human Rights Mr Thomas Hammarberg has said US military flights through Shannon Airport should have been checked when it was obvious that the planes could have been used to transport people who have been abducted and who might face torture where they were being brought.

    Torture is banned under the European Convention on Human Rights. Under the UN Convention against Torture Ireland is under a legal obligation to be proactive in ensuring that its facilities or employees do not assist those engaged in the crime of torture in any way.

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    http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/1130/rights.html
    So if carrying US Soldiers who ended up being caught in Iraq and tortured does this apply ?

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    Could you be a little less vague in your post titles? I didnt know whether you were talking about the Commissioner of the Police in New York City of the Garda Commissioner. Then it turned out it was nothing to do with a law enforcement official.
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    Shannon should not be used as a stop over by US forces for any reason sin .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aindriu
    Shannon should not be used as a stop over by US forces for any reason sin .
    Not even to allow a medivac chopper to land? Well ok if thats how you feel...
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    Arresting the people who brought this to the attention of the public by their own voluntary efforts over years is not what the Commissioner would have expected as the state's response to his concerns.

    http://www.politics.ie/viewtopic.php?t=29096

    Nor is it clear (to me at least) how those arrests of the whisleblowers fits with the Programme for Government's language on rendition and the effective use of Garda resources at Shannon.

    Bertie's call on us all to be active citizens might need a rewrite now too.

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    The Taoiseach, Minister for Justice and AG will all exercise their right to remain silent in the face of this criticism from the Commissioner. People involved in law enforcement from the top of the hierarchy in Dublin right the way down to Shannon are abusing their discretion here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helium Three
    The Taoiseach, Minister for Justice and AG will all exercise their right to remain silent in the face of this criticism from the Commissioner. People involved in law enforcement from the top of the hierarchy in Dublin right the way down to Shannon are abusing their discretion here.
    And why? Just to keep the Bush administration happy, it seems.

    Of course nothing's easy when all three of the EU's big leaders are anxious to keep the Bush administration happy. Ditto Ireland's largest "opposition" party.

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    "Things have come to a sorry pass when Irish people can't learn to be nice to the CIA men, who are, to a man, absolute gentlemen (we have it on good authority). And some of those gurriers hanging around Shannon call themselves 'Green'! Lock them up, I say..."
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    Quote Originally Posted by geraghd
    Quote Originally Posted by Aindriu
    Shannon should not be used as a stop over by US forces for any reason sin .
    Not even to allow a medivac chopper to land? Well ok if thats how you feel...
    They wouldn't use a helicopter all the way from Iraq anyway as they don't have the range.

    Let the use our British neighbours miltary airfields. RAF Brize Norton is setup as a passenger terminal specialising in military passenger jets.
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    So if carrying US Soldiers who ended up being caught in Iraq and tortured does this apply ?
    We shouldn't be letting the US soldiers use our air bases going over there in the first place, but for different reasons. We are aiding and abetting an occupying force of another country, thus supporting the Iraq war, this is harmful to our neutrality. We also should not be allowing US soldiers to stop in Shannon on their way to commit human rights abuses, that would be the ECHR view of things. However we can't say that we shouldn't let US troops stop in Shannon on their way to Iraq for fear they might be tortured, as they are not going over there with the purpose/intention of being tortured. That would be like saying we can't let people go on holidays abroad for fear they might be kidnapped.
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